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On 2004-01-17 22:00, David Neighbors wrote:
...One of my S&M coins is a reverse Sun and Moon coin, i.e. the outside is a silver coin and the inside is a copper coin!

So I assume it's like a loose Scotch & Soda?
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Curtis,

Are you referring to the Kaps' version of the copper/silver transposition in the spectator's hand? That appeared in one set of his notes. I have the original Sun and Moon made for Kaps in England, it is a silver half crown and an English penny, quite beautiful!

Also, Jon is right, the "Blasted!" effect is great. I combined it with a "Coin Through Glass" as a follow-up and they look great. Do "Blasted!", and then lay the coins in the glass (you hold the glass parallel to the floor, mouth to the left), one on top of the other, overlapping. Cover the mouth of the glass with the left hand and stand the glass upright.

The "selected" coin passes through the bottom of the glass and falls to the table. So, you pop the coin into the glass through the bottom, and pour it right back out! The parts are all in print somewhere, mostly Bobo, but not all with a Sun and Moon. I'm sure you guys can figure it out... Now, why bother doing it???

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This is great!

I've pasted Rob's (jimisolo) routine into my "tips" folder, plus, the routine by Dan W. Now I have no excuse, it goes to work with me today, so I can practice the handling, while sitting at my desk...

This IS going to take a while before I show it to ANYONE! This is too good. The "Coins Thru Glass" idea's great, too, but I have a Johnson Magnetic Halves set for that. I wonder if the two...nawww, I'm gonna practice Hopping Halves, now...thanks to you guys! Smile

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On 2004-01-15 13:45, Curtis Kam wrote:
The Hopping Half set allows dealers to sell beginners twice as many gaffs as they need to pull off a lackluster effect with looming presentational pitfalls.

I'd like to say a word in defense of dealers (not all of them, but some). I bought a set of hopping halves BECAUSE it has twice as many gaffs as needed for the routine. As has been pointed out, it contains two ESs and a sun and moon coin. The price of these coins individually purchased would have been much greater than what I paid for the set. I was originally interested in the ES and the sun and moon, as I'm working my way through Bobo. I now own a nice set of Johnson hopping halves which allow me to do all the effects of those individual gaffs and is a routine within itself. (I do it as two coins that are in love and therefore inseparable, or I do it silently and let the audience draw their own conclusions).

Do the math yourself. For what you get the price is a bargain. I could have been milked for a lot more money, but the dealer recommended hopping halves as a way to save money, and he was absolutely right.
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I bought a HH set and it did NOT come with a sun/moon. What's up with that?

Mine came with a shaved down c/s and an English penny sh*** (not expanded).

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Frank:

P. T. Barnum said that there's one of you born every minute.

How kind of you to volunteer, thereby sparing some other poor soul with the came birthdate/time.

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Is this really so? I was told it was a Johnson set? In fact, it came in a Johnson bag with Johnson instructions come to think of it.
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Frank, the set you described IS the sun and moon gaff. In the S&M routine, the gaff poses as an ordinary EP for 90% of the time. Therefore, the c/s is cut down, allowing the coin to appear normal (i.e. "unexpanded") 90% of the time.

JJDrew, the savings on buying the gaffs all at once is a good reason to buy the set. No argument there. My point is that the routine appears to have been thrown together because the manufacturer felt it needed something that the purchaser could do right out of the box that used all the gaffs together. That routine, IMHO, is not a good reason to purchase the set. The HH routine is not the best effect one can accomplish with these gimmicks, and this set of gimmicks is not the best way to accomplish the HH effect but there's no denying the economics of buying in bulk.

Paul, that's the Kaps routine I was talking about. As you know, David Roth popularized that strategy through its inclusion in his copper/silver routines published in Coinmagic and Expert Coin Magic. Do you know if the S&M routine was the only way Kaps used this? Or was this sequence borrowed from his regular copper/silver routine? I don't think I've ever seen Kaps regular copper/silver in print, if he had one.

This effect, with the Kaps ending, is real magic. Three transpositions, one ultra clean, one stunningly visual, and the last in the spectator's hands. Certainly worth considering having Todd Lassen make you a quarter/gold dollar set, so you can perform a miracle anytime, anywhere.
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I don't see the routine in Bobos, where is it? Thanks.
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I've owned and used the tools in the Hopping Half set for years. I refer to them as tools because, like nearly any gaffed coin ever made, the pieces are not the effect.

When you buy a "trick coin" think of it as a painter would think of a brush or canvas or tube of paint; think of it as a mechanic would think of a wrench or screwdriver. The paintbrush is not a work of art, nor is the wrench a repair job. When you develop an idea for an effect that might entertain an audience, go into your box of tools, whether gaffed coins or sleights or psychological ploys, etc. and pick out the ones that you find appropriate for building your routine.

The Hopping Half set is a nice package of versatile tools. If you don't own one you should consider getting one... Johnson's or better. As for the routine that comes in the package, do you have a paper shredder? Smile

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The routine is called "The Sun And Moon" and appears on page 440 Bobo's The New Modern Coin Magic. The book has an index for Pete's sake! Look for Goshman.

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The Hopping Half set has a few more gaffs than just a Sun/Moon set. I use a Sun/Moon set in my strolling work on a regular basis. It's sort of like a loose Scotch and Soda set. The routine that I use it for was origianlly designed for a non-locking penny and dime set.
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Cut the guy some slack, will ya Bill?

Cardman, you most likely have the original Modern Coin Magic. If so, you won't find it in there. It wasn't included until the revised edition (New Modern Coin Magic).
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Rob,
You have a point. Is the Sun and Moon routine in the Dover edition? Perhaps that's why people are having troubel finding it? They don't have the full edition of TNMCM?
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Yea, I have the old one, thanks for the help, ill pick up the "new" one asap
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Some great plot lines for the HH. The problem I have with HH (scotch & Soda also) is the reset time. Have any of you had the wrong S**** nest and lock? I ruined one set trying to get them apart. I went to a 3 fly w/ 1 S**** because of that. I also think it can be a stronger routine because the "flying" coin lands in spectator's hand.

How do you get around the reset time on HH & S&S when doing walk around?
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Hey Guys, I have a set called "2 Copper 1 Silver" made by Sterling. I know, I know. I was just wondering if this set is similar to the ones being discussed in this thread?
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Im using a S&S in euros and magnetic, reset it take me about 1/2 second Smile, pretty good and fast because it's magnetic, I can reset it using only one hand.
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Where can you buy magnetic Scotch and Sodas?
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It's called magnetic Silver & Copper. I have two sets... They're a regular part of my act.

Not an S&S set however, technically. It's a shimmed unexpanded hal-dollar shell, a magnetic c/s insert, a milled down shimmed English penny, and a milled down unshimmed English penny.

You can do any S&S effect, and about a bazillion other effects using the magnetic gaff.

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