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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Jun 22, 2014, Jamie Ferguson wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhEQ1E8XP......be_gdata - Video Tube for YouTube - Android |
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NYCJoePitt Special user 558 Posts |
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On Jun 22, 2014, funnymagic wrote: Finally, the voice of reason. Someone with some inside information. Clearly funnymagic knows which illusions are being exposed in order to state this. So what are they? Inquiring minds want to know! |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
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On Jun 22, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: That one had me in stitches. Good find
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I know. Is terrible how we force you to read these threads. Poor old Merlin.
James Quote: On Jun 22, 2014, Merlin wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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MJE Elite user After all these years,I STILL have only 409 Posts |
So, has someone here finally decided where the line between "teaching" and "exposing" is? Everyone's been waiting for years to understand that, so please spell it out.
I'll check back later to get the full story, but I gotta go teach/expose the old chestnut "Two Card Monte" to a group of summer camp kids at the moment. |
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DelMagic Special user 719 Posts |
We have all been "searchers" at some point in our magical lives. We weren't yet magicians, but we were driven to investigate. We generally don't mind doing small, controlled exposures for the searchers. Many stop searching after a brief time and the lessons should end there.
Others become neophyte magicians and perhaps the search lasts for years or even a lifetime. Even within this group, exposure is controlled but far less tightly. People who happen to be randomly assigned to be in the same room as you don't really qualify as students. Most magicians generally view their art and its practices as very special - not for general consumption. |
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rowland Inner circle 1524 Posts |
This is appalling, exposing material that magicians are currently using in their acts is unbelievable. Most lay people will have no loyalty to the magic profession and will spread the word how they are performed. Where does it end when magicians like this will stoop this low.
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
I do not believe that teaching magic to corporate employees as a team building exercise is the right thing to do. Such a practice would seem to violate our code and possibly ethics.
But now I have to ask the questions, "Is teaching magic to children in hospital okay?" "Is teaching magic to seniors in a nursing home okay?" "Is teaching magic to troubled teens to boost their self esteem okay?" Those three scenarios have been lauded as wonderful acts on the part of the magicians who provide these services. True, they don't do it for money (most of the time), and I would guess the effects being taught are not major stage illusions, but then again, is our problem with exposure in general or just exposure for gain? Where is the line drawn? Personally, I would ask Craig to abandon this venture, but there are always different points of view, aren't there?
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
I agree that Craig seems to be trivializing our
craft. I never forgot how mean spirited he was during his slanderous rant against Jeff McBride. Jeff forgave him, but never forgot. I haven't forgotten either. Pimping magic should be discouraged. |
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johndevacmaker Special user 644 Posts |
Double standards
Unfortunately some people think it's ok |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
I'm not sure anybody has said they thought it okay.
Where I am coming from is that people have been quick to jump on Craig here without hearing both sides of the story. And, for the scale of it, IMO, it feels like a massive overreaction..perhaps past crimes against magic have something to do with this. And the only side of the story has come from Jamie F ..let's be fair and say some elements are pretty clear cut. But Jamie F.. hmm, how would the mob feel if the instigator of this wasn't so much a real person as a character, played for laughs (and I find him funny) who likes to see how many buttons he can press. There's a persona here, crowing about being one of the "elite" in Real Secrets, bigging up some of Sankeys worst output, and getting the maximum rise out of Mr Petty. So people might be right, if over zealous, in their condemnation but they should understand that they might be being played. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
That's just typical jealousy from an RS non-sub.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On Jun 24, 2014, tomsk192 wrote: Lol..spot on...exactly what Jamie would say. |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
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On Jun 24, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: So what's the other side of the story? |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
Only Craig knows
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On Jun 24, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote: Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery... |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
We are doing a team building exercise right here. I can feel the love from the hate.
Thank you Mr. Petty. |
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Guystevens7 New user 6 Posts |
Come on guys grow up. You are like a bunch of gossipy teenage girls. I have been warned about this site and I can see why now.
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Hello Guy! Welcome to the Café!
Don't paint all of us with that brush! LOL! Maybe by now this is all moot. The barn door is open. That horse was let out LONG ago. What do you think the motivation IS to reveal secrets of Magic? Money? Bruce Nash thinks so. There's the guy you should be bashing... Just sayin'... Doug |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
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On Jun 27, 2014, Guystevens7 wrote: No gossip here. Just the facts. How would you feel if someone ripped off your trick "Coin to Eye to Mouth to Ring" and made money from it?
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