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sandsjr Special user 840 Posts 
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On Jul 20, 2014, Clel-Mentalist wrote: You do. Take a look at your original post. 
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RenzIII Veteran user 318 Posts
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Ok I admit it, I'm not a novice, but I am dedicated deluded professional
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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On Jul 20, 2014, Suffolk wrote: Well, that statement is quite obviously and demonstrably false. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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How so? The primary definition of "professional" refers to doing something for a living rather than a pastime.
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3353 Posts
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I've always classed myself as a Semi-Pro. I used to teach full time and perform at weekends, however over the past few years I've found myself more and more booked up to perform at parties/weddings and events. I doubled my fee's and now perform more than most so called 'Professionals'. Ive won 2 awards for my business in the past year and have currently been nominated for another national award for 'best entertainment'
My teaching is now part-time as I near my transition toward full time performer. I've done it in increments and built up a good client base. I chose not to be a full time performer because it would have been a stupid and irresponsible decision in the economic climate. I would say however that the way in which I have built my business has been done is a thoroughly professional manner, and am by my clients considered a professional performer. Kind regards
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts
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On Jul 22, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Many of my close friends and associates are professional entertainers of one stripe or other. Some are actors, some musicians, some singers or backing singers, some comedians. Many of them are fortunate to earn vast sums of money doing what they do, others have to have another job to tide them over the periods in-between work. (Their is no correlation for the most part between their abilities and their earnings). That is certainly the reality for actors in the UK, whose daily rates have been destroyed in the last ten years. People who have trained for three years at some of the most prestigious acting academies in the world and have appeared in feature films, tv shows and the west end stage would rightly be greatly offended if you suggested they were not professional actors because they have to earn a living elsewhere between jobs. Same with some comedians and musicians I know. Some of them have performed on TV and alongside some of the biggest names in music and comedy-yet still have to earn money elsewhere to keep them going. Are we suggesting they are not professionals? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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They certainly are. The show business profession is notorious in that most of its members need to supplement their incomes with work in other fields, especially when they are first starting out. But those are usually fields in the service industries (waiting tables, bartending, cooking, etc.), where you can easily quit and get rehired somewhere else whenever you need to.
I, too, have had to take other jobs when the work was thin. My skills as a bartender and a short order cook saved the day on more than a few occasions. But I don't think that's what we're talking about here. There are many who call themselves professional mentalists who are not struggling, at whatever cost, to make it in the business, but who are simply supplementing the income they get from full-time careers in other fields from which they have no intention of leaving. The problem, obviously, is also semantics, since the secondary definition of "professional" simply refers to one who has the skills that would normally be associated with an actual professional in a field. |
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts
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On Jun 28, 2014, Ulrich wrote: Would it be safe to say that the entertainment profession is filled with many deluded novices? Check out how many "Got Talent" shows there are.
Belief Manifests Reality.
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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There are even more deluded comedians......
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Suffolk Veteran user 400 Posts
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Having said that.... I once had a "pro mentalist" approach me at one of the few conventions I've ever attended and tell me how he opens "his corporate walkaround set" with a star sign revelation involving a progressive anagram.
Oh dearie, dear...... :-/ |
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2674 Posts
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At least he wasn't telling you about his pet snake that the children love #nevergoingtoamagicconventionagain
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