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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Jul 11, 2014, Payne wrote: "Think their findings are linked to what happens in the womb, rather than the effects of growing up among older boys" doesn't sound too convincing or scientific, now if they can come up with some findings about children who were adopted and raised with older brothers but born to omers who had no previous sons, THAT would be interesting.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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AllAboutMagic Veteran user California 333 Posts |
The Church used to teach that the Earth was flat and that the solar system revolved around the earth. It's a good thing they weren't wrong about that! The Bible has been translated by so many different people and governments. For someone so religious it is sad that you choose to hang on to a few brief "arguable" mentions of homosexuality instead of grasping the over all message of love. You clearly do not love thy neighbor. I believe Jesus was far more vocal against divorce than he was against homosexuality.......good thing the majority of us Christians didn't screw that one up.
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AllAboutMagic Veteran user California 333 Posts |
When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem…they’re our brothers. ~ Pope Francis
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Well, this will teach me to go out for some fun in the sun.
I find it funny that certain people use the fact that there isn't 100% evidence (yet) of something, to prove that that something isn't true; yet say that the fact that there isn't any scientific evidence of what they claim is meaningless. They just know it because it says it in a book. A few questions for those against gays and/or gay marriage if they don't mind. It may clarify things a bit, at least for me. I'd appreciate honest answers. 1. What is the basis of your bias? Is it your own thought process? Is it something you read or was taught to you by someone who read something? 2. If homosexuality is a "sin", presumably to be punished by some all powerful being in the afterlife, by what right does any mortal, fallible man, seek to punish them in this reality? 3. If homosexuality is a choice, which presumes they deny their heterosexuality, by what thought precess would they not choose to be bisexual? 4. If your child came to you and told you that they were gay, and that there was nothing you could say or do to change their mind, what would you do? 5. If you were the ultimate judge, with the power to enact any verdict, what would you do about unrepentant gay people? Isolate? Exile? Imprison? Execute? Other? Honest answers please, if you have the courage. I started this thread because the video gave me more hope for the future. I found it worth bringing up since the shows producers presented the subject without bias, answering any questions in a straightforward manner. It was more encouraging to me, an agnostic, that some of the children were seemingly the children of religious parents. They said things like "god loves" and the like. I was particularly taken by the little girl who said "a man marrying a man? that's crazy" She obviously was seeing the concept for the first time, though perhaps she'd heard about it before. Despite that initial reaction, her verdict was that it was fine. This issue is very personal to me since I experienced the effects of intolerance first hand due to the suicide of my cousin Jon. He killed himself after confiding in his "unconditionally loving, hyper religious" parents. He couldn't reconcile the fact that they shunned, villified and disowned him immediately. What was worse than all that was their reaction. They actually BLAMED HIM, spewing the usual nonsense. I've never felt such hatred as I did that day. Even now, writing this thirty three years later, the feeling is a strong as it was that day. I'm one of those sad people who never stop asking the questions that most stop asking at one point or another. The overriding question that remains unanswered to me is, why is their so much UNNECESSARY pain and suffering and death in the world, despite all we've accomplished? The only answer I've found is the need for the intolerant, and to me the stupid, to impose their narrow viewpoint on the rest of the world through deception, and when all else fails, violence. As the years have passed I've watched as even though we take many constant small steps back, we manage to take giant steps forward. It's not our technological advances that are the giant steps. It's that each succeeding generation rejects the nonsense of the preceding ones, and it's that fact which gives me the ability to stay optimistic. Like I said, just a few more generations and maybe.......
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Well said. Sorry to hear about the tragic death of your cousin, Jon. Just another example, sadly, of how religious homophobia can kill.
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Chrystal Inner circle Canada/France 1552 Posts |
I'm also sad to hear about your cousin Jon and for the many others out there that live/lived in a world full of hatred who would not allow them to be who they are/were.
As a mother of two sons and nine nephews. Yup! nine! I love them for who they are and their sexual orientation will never, nor should be a concern of mine. I would welcome their future partners with open arms regardless of gender or race. Sadly, the world is too full of haters and it's up to regular folks to say...not here...not today. Where's Mama T from Seattle when we need her? You can search You Tube if you're curious about this comment. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
NYCTwister said: A few questions for those against gays and/or gay marriage if they don't mind.
I have just one question for you if you don't mind, beginning with a statement. Imagine if you will two men sitting next to one another and they start kissing passionately. They then progress to perform the sex act. Now after imagining that. Let me ask you this. Does that seem normal to you?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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AllAboutMagic Veteran user California 333 Posts |
I find it abnormal that you care so much about what they are doing. Who are you to dictate what is normal? If this were 200 years ago you would probably use your religion to justify slavery because back then that was normal.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, acesover wrote: Apart from the public part, yes it does seem completely normal to me. Why wouldn't it?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, AllAboutMagic wrote: Nice dodge. You did not answer the question. The question was. Does it seem normal to you? What does your finding it abnormal what I care about? That has nothing to do with the question. Does it? Oh please don't tell me what I would have done 200 years ago. That is such a ridiculous statement. That is like me saying 200 years ago you would not post on the internet...because there was no internet. That is a truism. However your statement is all conjecture.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: At least you answered the question. It does not seem normal to me. Are opinions of normal differ greatly. Also not sure what you mean about the public part. I said if you would imagine. I don't believe sex should be performed in public even if between a man and a woman. But that is just me.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
No one here, I would bet, thinks that sex of any kind should be performed in public. In case you didn't know, that's called public lewdness and is an offense no matter sho does it.
But I was wondering where the homophobic support and ridiculous examples were going to come from. Why am I not surprised it came from you? Hate, homophobia and bigotry aren't virtues. |
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AllAboutMagic Veteran user California 333 Posts |
You can hate all you want aces......yours will be the last generation.....and you will looked upon like we currently look at those who embraced slavery. That is a truism. I can't answer your question because my normal is different than your normal. Here is the difference, I don't care what other people's normal is.....it makes it easy to not judge them. Judge ye lest ye be judged. (I am not sure you understand what that means)
I guess I will satisfy your question.....SURE, it's normal. Can you sleep now? Are you satisfied? I wouldn't want to sit there and watch them, just as much as I wouldn't want to watch a hetrosexual couple do the same thing. Continue to use your belief system to facilitate your hatred of others.....you are a real winner! |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Nothing is real except the action.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I asked a question and have gotten a few replies but no answer to the question except one. I never said anything about sex in public in my initial post. That is something the other poster just decided to put in his post. Guess it made him happy. However I am not at all surprised at him doing this. This is common practice of many here. That is...put words in other peoples mouth then let them have to deny they said it.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, AllAboutMagic wrote: Who do I hate? Where did I say that? Again another person putting words into someone else's mouth. What do you mean satisfy my question? Do you mean answer my question? I gain no satisfaction from your answer. Because I asked a question, you instead of answering it became defensive. Why is that?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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AllAboutMagic Veteran user California 333 Posts |
My apologies Aces.......I mistook your posts for Lunatik's. You have not used hateful language in your posts. I am sorry.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Bob posted: Hate, homophobia and bigotry aren't virtues. And I guess homosexuality is a virtue.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jul 12, 2014, AllAboutMagic wrote: Thank you. Much appreciated. Postings on a forum can get confusing at times.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Chrystal Inner circle Canada/France 1552 Posts |
I'm not quite sure where ones focus and the perceived visual of another individuals sexual act adds to any validity to this arguement? Let me make sure I understand your realm of thinking...is this your arguement- that you'd rather focus on this particular aspect of a relationship than that of the multitude of other components like love, trust, intimacy,friendship..etc..? Correct me if I'm wrong but if this is correct than no need to disagree with you as you are losing the battle my friend with little help from those that oppose you and your lurid thoughts.
If you agree that it is indeed your arguement then this boarders on what the American Psychological Association 2012 study states if "thou protest too much" they probably are disliking a part of themselves they have suppressed and resent not being able to freely be who they are inside. If this is the case, then you have my compassion. |
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