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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Right. Selling mediocrity. You assume that all washing machines have the same problem. Thanks for proving my point.
You didn't answer as usual. Does it make one an expert who learned as you propose? Also that does Josh a disservice. I do not think the comparison is valid. I think he is far more qualified than a few clicks.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2014, Donald Dunphy wrote: Here's an example of someone that keeps his (blog post) announcements to a single thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44 - Donald
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Donald I don't disagree. I think it gets tiresome that everyone thinks every thought that comes through their head is worthy of a thread and a course in one thing or another.
Then the inevitable glad-handing of "oh listen to me on this podcast" and the unvarying compliments of others who did the podcast. It is just a bit much as it has become almost constant in this forum.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Danny, I think it's quite cool that a few have been asked to be interviewed on podcasts and for myself, I feel priveledged to have been asked.
Keep in mind that this is a free form for which anyone may post anything they deem valuable as long as it is within the limits of the Café rules. To keep bullying folks who want to share is rude. Myself and others know stuff that you might not know so what is the harm in sharing? Before you twist this comment up, I am referring to your above podcast comment and nothing more simply because I recently was on a few podcasts. To tell me what I should and shouldn't post isn't right and IT is growing tiresome. Josh
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Since you haven't noticed it Josh I was the one defending you. Up till that post.
Maybe talking about your marketing skills with your jail story show is valid. You speak about being an expert marketer how did that end up for you? Huge success I would imagine. Suddenly in a couple of years you are a different person all of the sudden? Maybe Donald s right we should talk about it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Not sure what the past has to do with the present. Go right ahead and do what you do Danny - I'll stand by and watch.
Josh
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
One more note Danny, I think that I am a great marketer as I have completely dominated my area. Furthermore, performing 6-8 birthdays virtually every weekend is quite good if I don't say so myself.
Josh
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On Jul 19, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Well that seems to be exactly what's happening here. I simply asked a few basic but important questions that would help clarify his experience and intentions, which have been blatantly and intentionally avoided. I wasn't doing to bring up the past, but since others have, I think this makes my questions even more valid and worthy of direct answers, not just for me but for everyone in this community that may be interested in Josh's services and products. What I was offering Josh was an opportunity. An opportunity to properly and legitimately explain his experience, knowledge and background pertaining to the services he's offering. An opportunity to explain his interest and experience on the subject matter. An opportunity to better understand his story. An opportunity to explain why you are an authority to be able to write and offer such information. An opportunity to clarify and better understand why how just a few years ago he was asking basic questions himself and has now become a product selling expert. An opportunity to clarify his well documented background here which seems cloudy without clarification. An opportunity to set the record straight and fill in the missing pieces to see how he went from where he was to where he is and is going. An opportunity to explain how or why you supposedly went from where you were back in the day to $5000-$10,000 per show, to doing kids parties for only a few hundred dollars, to an info-publishing authority on SEO and social media. An opportunity to provide the missing pieces. Also an opportunity to set off your information business on the right foot here in the community, when as you know other guru wannabees have been subject to much scrutiny by many here, including yourself in the past due to the way they represented themselves here in the community. I must say I am surprised for the offensiveness when you even suggested in the first line of your post you were likely setting yourself up for "backlash." All the more reason I would have thought you would have welcomed the opportunity to better explain yourself and position yourself favorably to the community here. This includes answering our questions. I must say - answering only select questions, answering only questions by those saying positive things about you, and the providing links in your posts, looks very familiar to other recent guru wannabees. All that's missing is the constant barrage of self-praising, self-created videos. You can't be surprised with such questions and perspectives based on regular recent activity here as well as your unique history and backstory. There is nothing anyone here likes better than a great comeback story or a great success story, but by your initial responses and shall we say "lack of responses" it seems to be working against you and such credibility. Perhaps you may want to reevaluate your approach to this "opportunity" as it's still early enough to gain the support of the community, but that is only done through honesty and understanding our concern and interests. It could help us understand the apparently sudden expert status. These questions are basic questions that anyone seeking to accept payment for services should be easily willing to answer. "What is your experience? Who are you to offer such information? What areas or markets is your experience in? What is the backstory to gaining your experience? How long have you been practicing this knowledge and experience? What have the results of your personal experience been? How does this differ from other products based on the same experience? How and why is this difference? Why are you the guy to trust or turn to for such services and information? Simply put, I think you should first, before ever releasing any information, introduce and provide all of the who, what where, when, whys and how related to you, your business, your knowledge and person experience, to allow others to have a much clearer understanding of you, your products and services, the backstory as to what and why it is all about and came to be, and what makes you the expert or authority that you are positioning yourself to be by offering such products and promotional offers." "I think if someone sets up a blog, writes a post and offers it, who cares what their intentions are?" No one if you are just offering an opinion. But it becomes on a different level when you are positioning yourself as an authority and seeking to accept money for products related to the blog or post. It is then on a different level. Donald wrote "Even though Josh has only had his current Café account since February 2013, he has had other Magic Café profiles before then" I think this brings up the personal history point that many of us remember quite well which to me makes answering the posed questions even more important and as I said more of an opportunity to present yourself and these new services. I also disagree with your sentiments that your products and services are not for me. I would think all of us at any level regardless of how much we work, could use a better understanding and such services, especially if they are as crucial and important as you claim. I am a student of learning and could always learn more about this subject matter. I must say I did exactly as you asked. I went to your websites and after doing so became even more curious as to the answers of my questions. You make some bold claims that are great if you can produce, which again, I feel would lead you to wanting to answer such questions of opportunity. I wish you the best Josh, but how you respond personally affects how others see your business practices. You can't help people wondering, given your history, is this a great comeback success story, or is this just a quick make a buck "opportunity"? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
And it is a logical question to ask what qualifies him as such an expert.
For example a few years ago only he thought it was a cool idea to tell about being in jail, claimed it was a great marketing hook, and had a tour all lined up. Claimed he was making $10,000 per show and being flown all over the world. Is it not fair to ask why he is now doing kids shows? Is it not fair to ask what happened to that tour? Why do we not get to ask things like this? No judgement, just questions. You go to hire a plumber. Would you not ask to know if he was qualified to fix the problem? Why is this such a foreign concept here in the Magic Café'?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
See, like Benji before him - if he'd just answer the questions UPFRONT, things might never progress to this point and the defensiveness need not occur.
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G. Batson Regular user 147 Posts |
Benji knew how to ignore the haters and is doing quite well for himself. You must be doing it right Josh.
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Hey guys, I wasn't hiding or anything, was just busy for a few hours. I'm back though and after reading the comments here I can see how the 2 would get confused so I have taken the questions Mindpro asked and answered them below. I'd like to point out for Mindpro and Danny that any and all questions can be asked an answered in great detail on my website (http://clickconvertprofit.com/biggest-struggle-internet-marketing/).
Furthermore, the way that Mindpro and Danny seemed to "jump" all over me about this was quite rude and in particular the line of questioning that Mindpro initiated wasn't the best way to go about it. However, for you Mindpro and Danny, below are my answers to the questions. I'd be happy to answer any other's you need, but I am willing to bet that won't do much... What is your experience? I have spent the last 5-6 years learning and utilizing any and all seo/ppc/sem techniques. Mostly with an emphasis on ppc. The past 18 months I have been managing ppc accounts for a wide variety of customers including hypnotists, jugglers, attorney, graphic designer. Who are you to offer such information? Someone who tried, failed and re-learned the right way to effective marketing online. One view of my Home page will show that I have the track record with my own websites to accomplish front page domination - http://clickconvertprofit.com/ - scroll down a bit for screenshots. Danny/Mindpro - I'd be happy to send you personal screenshots of needed. What areas or markets is your experience in? Entertainment, Law, Creatives. What is the backstory to gaining your experience? You can listen to any one of the 3 podcast interviews I've been on for a detailed past: http://clickconvertprofit.com/media/ - Mindpro/Danny - If you need them transcribed I can do that for you. How long have you been practicing this knowledge and experience? 5-6 years. What have the results of your personal experience been? Kind of personal - Are you looking for W2s? Not sure what's being asked here. How does this differ from other products based on the same experience? Instead of pie in the sky "fluff" material, "Flying Solo" is a concrete layout of what you should focus on when building a business that is determined to have an online presence. How and why is this difference? It is my unique perspective. How is anything different than anything else? Why are you the guy to trust or turn to for such services and information? No other magician turned sem/seo/ppc offers such detailed advice and proves it with results on their home page. Hope that helps, let me know if I can be of any more assistance. Josh P.S. It's funny, with this now going to 2 pages I have even more sign ups and sales - Thanks Mindpro and Danny P.P.S. Mindpro/Danny - Didn't see you guys sign up at all. Heck it's a free chapter. Get it for free, unsubscribe then keep ripping me apart
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Well this is what I and others were waiting for. Thanks for finally coming back to the thread you started.
Any answer that includes a link(s) and that makes me have to go find, search the answers myself is not any kind of a true or direct answer. I'm sorry you are taking the answering of these question so unseriously. After all you are the one pushing the products and I would think would want to set the record straight and share the true answers. Glad we could drive traffic to your site if that's all you seem interested in. We did the same for the purple guy and you can see it didn't translate into results, just initial curiosity. As you should know they are two different things. In reality if you don't want to answer the questions properly with the same amount of time and effort it took to ask them, then that's fine. As I said, you had the opportunity. I know many were waiting to see how you handled this. I think you could benefit form stepping back and see how others might be perceiving you. Perception is everything in business. Perhaps you're too close to see or understand it. Rather than being so defensive you could benefit from understanding such a perspective. If you stand back and look at your personal story at a glace there are many holes and things that don't add up. Same for your web sites, which is what caused me to ask the questions in the first place. There seems to be much shared content that you are presenting as your own from what I've seen. This creates more questions. "What have the results of your personal experience been? Kind of personal - Are you looking for W2s? Not sure what's being asked here." Plain and simple. One would think that you should be experiencing (and willing to share) the results that you claim yourself and I'm not sure I was quite seeing them which is why I asked. I would think like Eatonmagic before you for example, you would be able to provide case stories and examples from the many you have had success with. I believe you guys call it social proof coming from others? Such an answer just seems rude and evasive. As I said I think we were waiting to hear how you answered these questions as much as what the answers were. It's done, thanks. As stated earlier which stated much of this, you're right I haven't signed up and won't be. While I would've been happy to check it out, this "free" content is only to get you our captured information as it is quite transparent. If you truly wanted Danny, myself or anyone else in our community to have such content you could simply make it available here by PM, with perhaps a capture opportunity included at the end for those that then could make a legitimate determination of the content speaking for itself and if they wanted to learn or receive more. No big deal, you're the expert. As far as Mike, it hardly worth my time to respond as you either A.) don't get it or even care to try to, or B.) simply come to this section to try to stir up controversy and play your games. You hold court doing this in the Kids section and then try to come here to do the same. As for the links your provided to past threads - you didn't get my points then and you obviously still don't. You actually couldn't be more wrong, but once again you are talking about things you know nothing about and aren't comprehending even when people take the time to slow down and try to explain for you. I've come to find it this is your specialty and you somehow think it progresses these threads. You still do not understand the info I and others were explaining to you in that first link. Same for the last link and all of the recent publicity links lately, you're totally missing it again. You're getting caught up in the ego of gaining some publicity in the press but you are certainly not monetizing it at all. Again, I charlie and several others have address all of this with you which you still can't understand. Again, as long as you're happy and willing to settle for this, that is of course fine. Also you are wrong about your assessments of myself and Danny. Maybe to yourself it is a game and you think of yourself as a playa. I shouldn't be surprised. Let's not confuse experience, proven knowledge and confidence with ego. Two different things. We have the knowledge and experience, you seem to boast from the point of ego. No one wants anyone to follow our particular paths. In case you haven't noticed we are often asked our opinions and asked about our own experiences in many of these posts, in others we provide them as in many cases as a cautionary measure based on our experience and ability to smell something improper, not right or suspicious to prevent others from wasting or losing their time and money in an area they don't know. We often try to help others when we can. Unlike you, we are not looking for praise or others to chime in with support and blowing smoke up our *&^. I hardly believe we guide anyone done a tougher road at all, actually quite the opposite. As you can regularly see by almost any thread, we have helped others in many different ways. For me, that's why I participate here. If you don't like it or haven't experienced the same, that's fine but there's no need to ridicule those that do. The problem I have with all of this newer technology is the massive amounts of time, energy and money guys today are putting into this. And it's constantly changing dimensions. It's causing then to work IN their business (quite greatly) rather than working ON their business which is where progress and success occurs. Is there a need for specialists like what Eatonmagic, Mike Clay and Josh are offering - absolutely, so if it can be done optimally and affordably to allow us to work on their business. I would tell any of them (not just Josh) that I would need to see proof and how it is directly monetized, and how it directly translates into bookings. My methods and systems translate DIRECTLY into more bookings, top market positioning, and the very high closing ratio. You see (this is for others as Mike will likely not get this) all of this tech stuff makes absolutely no difference at all, it is 100% unuseful, if you do not have the proper business system in place to support it and properly monetize it. The same for virtually any type of marketing. All it can possibly to is create awareness and lead generation, but it is systems such as mine and similar that I speak of that will make methods of any kind - longstanding proven traditional methods, NTR or these techy methods truly work or not. You keep working for that applause from other guys that don't get it, I'll continue on working my methods and systems that have allowed me to succeed comfortably for decades working nationwide. Also let's get it straight - you being congratulated by those that may actually know less than you is not an accomplishment. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Mindpro, you need to seek help. Honestly you have went over the deep end as they say. Please, go get some help.
Really, here you are complaining and you haven't even read the book. You have no idea what you talking about. Hey Josh, as you know I bought your book and I have to say I like it. Haven't read it all yet but I can already see that it contains so much information that I will have to read it a couple of times. Good stuff Josh. Well done. Hopefully after reading and absorbing it all I can write you a worthy review. Oh, I'm sure the internet marketing geeks probably wouldn't get that much from it, but for those like me just wanting to learn more about websites, seo, ppc and marketing online in general, it's perfect. Thanks for putting it all together so good. Josh, don't let the naysayers discourage you. Hang in there. Mike is right, it's jealousy. Plain and simple. But as Grandma would say, it all will come out wash day. Good luck with the sales. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
First off I WAS THE ONE DEFENDING JOSH. Lets be clear.
Second of all asking questions is not naysayers. It is asking questions. Am I right Tom? Are you saying asking questions is a bad thing? Wanting to know how former projects went FABULOUS om someone offering how to market seems valid line of inquiry. Otherwise why would web pages include "social proof"? So tell me how I am being a naysayer. You and Mike explain to me how it is jealous. Show me a single thing I posted that draws such a conclusion. I love the sales bait of oh buy it then comment. Why don't you cut and paste everything I have said about the book for me Tom. Oh and for the record it was Donald who started this parade.
Danny Doyle
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Tom, thanks for the kind words! The book is intended for people just like you that want to start making money from their website, but don't know how or where to start. There is so much out there that making sense of it all can be overwhelming.
I think we can all agree that I am not about to hide in the shadows and not answer any questions Danny and Mindpro have - It is funny though, because there has been no one else with questions. I'm happy to answer any and all questions. Quote:
On Jul 22, 2014, Mindpro wrote: This is an example of a poorly crafted question. Mindpro asks me about my "personal experience." So I am led to believe he wants to know about my personal finances, then when he clarifies the question he asked he wanted to see case studies. That is why my answers were short because Mindpro didn't make any sense and a simple look at my website and blog would give more information than I could give here. In fact, April 22, 2014 was the first day the blog went live with this post: http://clickconvertprofit.com/love-respe......ire-com/ In it, you will find out how I even got the idea to start this. But I doubt Danny and Mindpro even read that post. I'm done defending myself on this. In the last 3 months of starting the website/business I have added more clients and made more money than I ever thought possible. One big reason I started the business was because I don't want to have to leave my home to make money. Being a magician and performing 6-8 kid shows every weekend was grueling and I hated being away from my wife and daughter - I'm sure Mindpro and Danny can relate. So when I opened up my email and saw thousands of dollars in sales for "Flying Solo" from guys like Tom and folks in other industries I was ecstatic to be able to help so many people and also make a life for myself that didn't revolve around leaving my home to make money. It was freeing. Josh P.S. Mindpro, I once saw your website and I'd be happy to give you a free critique if you'd like. No charge, just some advice to help your conversions Same to you Danny.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
I think no one else is asking questions as I have already asked the important ones. That's why I said I think many were waiting for your answers.
To clarify I was not in any way interested in your earnings or financials. Case studies were only one possible way to address the question. But your reply was just another chance to include another link. As I said I'm not going search for answers that you should (and I would think would want to) be able to directly provide. Seems odd to me? No need to defend anything, we're just seeking direct answers. I'm glad to hear it's working out for you over the past few months, that's cool for you but that doesn't necessarily in any way mean your products or services works well or are credible. That just means you have some that are willing to try your services. Again that is of importance to you. My questions and perspectives were about those you are targeting and what is important to us/them. Also what you think you saw as my website was probably a ten year old dormant website that was never intended or targeted to the public, that was posted for the wrong reasons by someone in spite, who hadn't a clue as to what they thought it was (this is why you must be careful who and what you listen to). One of the sites posted was not even mine. In reality the majority of my websites are not for public use or targets, which is why in those cases public access, SEO, adwords, Google ranking and such are not of importance. However I do have a current project that could have possibly benefited from your or others such services which in part why I had a personal interest. While I appreciate your free critique as I said it isn't needed for my sites, their purpose and their intended targets. Thanks anyway though. |
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
Anytime Mindpro! I am always happy to help and give advice
I think it's awesome that you have websites built and up and don't care about generating traffic! Wish I could do that! Well, I suppose I wouldn't even need a website then. Josh
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
I have my birthday show rates online. Occassionally, I'll get a prospect that calls and doesn't know my birthday show prices, which means they didn't look closely at the website (or maybe not at all). I offer to give them the information right there and then on the phone, but I also let them know the information is online. If I just sent them to my website for their answers, without answering their questions on the phone then and there, I think that would be a poor business approach.
Josh is doing something similar, by pointing people to his blog or podcasts for answers to their questions, rather than answering them right on the Magic Café thread. That's just my opinion. Also, he should be asking questions back for clarification, if he doesn't understand the questions asked of him... that is effective communication technique. - Donald P.S. I hope my analogy was clear. I was trying to say that Josh should answer the questions on the Magic Café thread, rather than directing people to the site... just like I answer questions on the phone, rather than directing prospects to my site.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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JoshLondonMagic Special user 675 Posts |
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On Jul 22, 2014, Mindpro wrote: So you don't use SEO, PPC, SEM strategies on the majority if your websites, but you could have used my services for SEO, PPC, SEM? All very confusing and this exact thing is what leads so many to e defensive with you. Also, the website I saw looke very much like a current website, I even Googled your name and didn't find any other websites or listings. Now there's a good reason for that - you installed code on your website(s) that made search engines not index them, but since you say the guy who built your website didn't know what he was doing I'm surprised he had enough knowledge to do that to you. Josh
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