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Jim Wilder
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I have bought and researched many methods for this effect. Pete Biro is right about Pat Page's version, which is typically the version I use because of set-up time. I like the flash restoration of Gene Anderson, but do not like the time it takes to set it up.

I have "No Tear." It is good.

I recently bought Bill Goldman's restored newspaper. Though it does not utilize a tear, it is really an excellent version. One I use in appropriate settings. The presentation/patter is really good, though I change it to suit me. As well the paper can be handed out at the end of the performance.
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I too like the Slydini version. I played with Gene Anderson’s version and the set-up was pretty weighty. I have enough to do between shows, actually that's why I stopped doing any newspaper tear all together. But if it went back in I would go with Slydini's version, although it takes gluing and set up, it is less than the Anderson. The plus for the Anderson restoration is the flash, which is a very pretty restoration. But I wonder if non-magician audiences would differentiate between the two because it is the plot they remember.
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I did Al Koran's version featuring the "flash restoration" for years, having learned it from one of the Routined Manipulation books by Lewis Ganson, then all of a sudden Gene Anderson "invented" it and everybody was doing it. Because of that, for awhile I used Alex Elsmley's version where the torn edges magically "vanish" as the paper is restored. But, the flash restoration is just too strong to not use.

As of late, I have used Baxt's version simply because it is a fast, convenient set-up and genrerates the same effect as Koran's. The "No Tear" is not the same trick. I think the actual tearing adds immensely to the effect. That is not done with "No Tear." Instead pieces already torn are shown and restore ala Koran.

Sldyini's and Al Baker's are two other very good approaches. I think Koran's original idea of the flash restoration is the best finish as it does get audible gasps from the audience when it happens. Oddly enough, that same approach does not work well with a torn and restored playing card.

Remember when Doug Henning did the torn and restored newspaper on a very early special? He used the flash restoration and made it popular among magicians to this day.
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NO TEAR GETS MY VOTE !!! Do a search under No tear Gags & routines their you will find some funny one liners that will make this presentation a winner . I love performing this effect with the gags. NO Mess simple to do !
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Gene Anderson does credit Al Koran with the flash restoration. Gene's setup actually is better than the Koran setup.

I have done the Anderson tear for well over 25 years. I probably won't change now, because I have my own twists and kinks for it. I will pass this one on to anyone who thinks it takes too long to set up between shows.

I was doing it a total of 8 times per day at the Texas Renaissance Festival. That was a Saturday and Sunday performance thing, so I would set up 8 complete setups ready to go and 8 refills. I did this on Thursday night or Friday afternoon. That way, I didn't have to mess with it at the Festival. I would Do my shows, and then Saturday night, I would reload all of the setups, so I would be ready for Sunday. It made the setup time a breeze.

When I did it at trade shows, I would count the number of presentations I would do each day and divide that by 2. I would set up enough to do half the shows and an equal number of refills. When I got halfway through, I would take a break and refill the papers.

The term for this is "prop management!"
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On 2004-08-10 00:49, runawayjag wrote:


As of late, I have used Baxt's version simply because it is a fast, convenient set-up and genrerates the same effect as Koran's. The "No Tear" is not the same trick. I think the actual tearing adds immensely to the effect. That is not done with "No Tear." Instead pieces already torn are shown and restore ala Koran.



If you have "No Tear" then you would know that you can TEAR the newspaper. The instructions gives TWO ways of performing it, with out tearing and WITH tearing.
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I had them all. 'No tear' is the easiest. I think the idea first came from Bill Goldman.
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I'm partial to the Elmsley and Shaxon versions. The restoration in the Elmsley one is great for the talking performer. If you're going to be doing the tricks 10 times a day, the Shaxon version is better if you like to have some extra free time during the day.
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On 2004-08-10 02:37, Bill Palmer wrote:
Gene Anderson does credit Al Koran with the flash restoration. Gene's setup actually is better than the Koran setup.

I have done the Anderson tear for well over 25 years. I probably won't change now, because I have my own twists and kinks for it. I will pass this one on to anyone who thinks it takes too long to set up between shows.

I was doing it a total of 8 times per day at the Texas Renaissance Festival. That was a Saturday and Sunday performance thing, so I would set up 8 complete setups ready to go and 8 refills. I did this on Thursday night or Friday afternoon. That way, I didn't have to mess with it at the Festival. I would Do my shows, and then Saturday night, I would reload all of the setups, so I would be ready for Sunday. It made the setup time a breeze.

When I did it at trade shows, I would count the number of presentations I would do each day and divide that by 2. I would set up enough to do half the shows and an equal number of refills. When I got halfway through, I would take a break and refill the papers.

The term for this is "prop management!"

Bill, thanks for the advice. For me it's just a personal issue with set up. I know that you can make up multiple sets ahead of time. Trust me, I understand "prop management!", I have multiple silk fountains and other items that don't reset instantly. It's just that I don't want more of that in my show right now. Plus I never liked the way the newsprint came off on the hands. I know that there is a spray to prevent that, but that just adds another element to the set up. It's a great trick and I encourage anyone to do it, it's just not for me at the moment.
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Alan Shaxon's paper tear can be done pretty much surrounded. I've never been convinced by the angles on the Anderson tear. I've seen several magicians flash the gimmick during the restoration when I was sitting towards the edge of the audiece.
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I've seen the Anderson tear perfromed twice, and each time the gimmick flashed. I have used the Shaxon tear completely surrounded. Works in the real world situation.
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To Nelson,

I do have both the Baxt and "No Tear," and know that the instructions mention the tearing part, but the name itself implies why you are buying that one. The "convenience" of not tearing any sheets makes for an easier, obviously quicker set trick. If you go the Tear Route you've basically got the Koran tear with a different gimmick. Baxt's is better IF you are going to do the tear.

Any other questions?
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I like Baxt.

The performance and instruction disk that comes with it is worth the extra jack.

Done properly, I just can't imagine a TEAR routine that is more foolproof.
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I just saw the Mark Mason version, and it is really cool.
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I see that Mark Mason is taking credit for the "No Tear" in his website ad. You can still see Tony Stevens name on the package itself. Not sure what to make of it.
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Actually the website is <www.magiclegends.com> so maybe they took a few liberties when describing items available from Mark Mason.
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Jim Tighe - I believe Mark Mason bought the rights to it from Tony Stevens and it is now his so to speak.

I noticed in the video demo for the Baxt Tear he does not go through all the pages or show them very freely after the restoration. Is it possible to do so? Thank-you,

Joe
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Yes, it's definite possible to go through all the pages with baxt tear after restoration. if you know anderson's method, you can easili adapt it to baxt's.
using my baxt gimmick, I use two whole sheets of newspapers (as opposed to 1 and a half sheet as shown in the baxt video). baxt told me he also uses two whole sheets now.
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Strong gimmiks for Baxt.

Weak gimmiks for No tear when compared to Baxt's.
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Once you make up he initial gimmick, the Joel Bauer "Trade Show" newspaper tear is incredibly fast to set up. Joel did it over and over in Trade shows, taking a matter of six or eight seconds to get ready for the next performance. (I used the past tense because Joel now does Origami in his trade show gigs.)
The not yet released Chuck Mignosa Newspaper Tear has some interesting features. It's essentially the Anderson paper tear, but there is no cutting, tearing, or gluing needed. And, you start by having a spectator bring an ungimmicked paper to the stage. After the restoration, the paper is returned to the spectator. (No, he's not a stooge, and will really arrive and leave with an ungimmicked paper.)
Chuck is working on the release of this, with Gene Anderson's knowledge and consent. Baxt did not have permission from Gene.
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