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To those who insist on exposing mentalism methods in this forum. Feel free to post this link after any post that exposes methods here in Penny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHZmP15rs0
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Come to think of it, that would be a great way to handle hecklers.Smile
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One of my favorite shows of all time. If I remember correctly, Ralph had tickets to a hit Broadway show that was a murder mystery. His mother-in-law, the blabbermouth, suddenly gives away the ending of the play and who is the murderer. A BLABBERMOUTH!!!

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Yep, that's the episode. The entire thing is on YouTube, but I just wanted that one brief segment because it expressed my thoughts regarding exposure in Penny.
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I love that episode!

How about this TV classic when you feel like screaming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pe1RNFhIiE
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He even does the eyes from your smiley, Bob! Smile
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Well I've often thought the easy solutions would be to take the entire site off Google search using robot txt
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I think Suffolk's suggestion is actually a wonderful one. If I weren't so new here I would post it on the See the Manager section myself. However, I suspect that the management here are very much against this otherwise they would have done it earlier. It is their site and we must respect that. However, I must say that I do agree with Bob. I must say that I have never worried very much about exposure in the past even with TV exposure such as the Masked Magician etc; I figured that people would forget the explanations within a week. However, lately I have been quite bothered by exposure of secrets on the internet generally (not just the magic Café) although I have heard spirited defences of it by well known magicians (especially the younger ones). I have to say that it does bother me though and I feel that apart from the exposure aspect it trivialises both magic and mentalism to a large degree. I just can't get used to it I am afraid.
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Exposure of any sort is despicable and totally against the spirit of the art but I fear the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. As soon as a magician has raced through a store-bought mentalism effect on AGT the chat rooms and YouTube comments have exposed the name of the effect. We even had someone on here ask for the name of the losing the power to read effect performed on AGT and members actually told him!

One doesn't like to pine for the good old days, and the cross-pollination of ideas enabled by the Internet has led to some brilliant effects- but the smooth is arguably outweighed by the rough.
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Great clip, I think we should deal with exposure in a similar manner to that which was used in the gaffer thread.
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The Honeymooners was brilliant. I could never understand why it wasn't a bigger hit in the UK like I Love Lucy or The Phil Silvers show.
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Although exposure has been around since at least 1584, I doubt if any of the practitioners since that time have been subscribers to the "it makes our craft stronger because we have to come up with new and better methods" argument.

I'm a big believer in Omerta and its accompanying consequences.

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Go to the Right or Forum where you'll actually find one new member who's been going on for weeks about his idea that exposure is okay- even to an audience you're just performed for. His idea seems to be that since people want to know how its done, its good entertainment to show them.


I think I'll post this link there.
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On Aug 3, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
Exposure of any sort is despicable and totally against the spirit of the art but I fear the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. As soon as a magician has raced through a store-bought mentalism effect on AGT the chat rooms and YouTube comments have exposed the name of the effect. We even had someone on here ask for the name of the losing the power to read effect performed on AGT and members actually told him!

One doesn't like to pine for the good old days, and the cross-pollination of ideas enabled by the Internet has led to some brilliant effects- but the smooth is arguably outweighed by the rough.


You seem to be fixated on AGT. Years ago, when I worked in a magic shop, the same thing would happen after a magician appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show or after a Doug Henning or David Copperfield special. The VERY NEXT DAY, the phones would be ringing off the hook with calls from people wanting to know the names of the effect that were performed and where they could be purchased.

Same with the David Blaine, and other specials, that are seen today.

That's one reason why I never perform ANY effect that has just been seen on national TV. Why would I want to? So I could be remembered as the guy who does the same thing as "that guy on television?"
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You may be right Bob. I am a little fixated by mentalism on AGT. Same as you are fixated, rightly, on exposure on a searchable forum. I consider AGT performances and YouTube performances of other's effects a kind of exposure by proxy, or indirect exposure. I think the difference with Henning et al, apart from the instant exposure of the Internet, is that they were/are magicians. As a kid I was aware you could buy magic tricks (they sold them in the local market) but when Berglas performed it didn't cross my mind that he was performing tricks. He had powers! A slightly foreboding aura. I didn't dream you could learn that stuff from a book. He clearly had an innate gift. You could tell from his posture, his voice, his eyes! Or take Bob Cassidy. Funny, yes, but in a lightening sharp, slightly dismissive way that suggests a superior intellect-entirely capable of the effects he is producing.

But now, with non-descript, perfectly normal, agreeable kids reading minds on YouTube and AGT, the mystique of mentalism is in danger of disappearing.

But I'm aware that I am repeating myself and the nurse is demanding I take my medication, so I'll try to temper my exasperation at the state of the art. Smile
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On Aug 3, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
Go to the Right or Forum where you'll actually find one new member who's been going on for weeks about his idea that exposure is okay- even to an audience you're just performed for. His idea seems to be that since people want to know how its done, its good entertainment to show them.


I think I'll post this link there.


I know the guy you mean Bob, I've given up arguing with the bloke and for the life of me I cannot figure out his angle - he hasn't really posted on any other topic... I actually got to the point of thinking that he wasn't here out of any genuine interest or background in magic or mentalism and just wanted to practice arguing.
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Who are you guys talking about?
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Martin,

You're absolutely right. My father used to say that and a dime will get you a cup of coffee (tells you how long ago that was).

My thinking is simple, I run my own race. I want to be the best mentalist that I can be. And, by that I mean performer. To the best of my knowledge, AGT and Youtube has not interfered with my ability to entertain an audience.

Not once has someone comment that they saw that same 'trick' on TV or the internet. And if that does happen some day, so what?

They still gasp; jaws drop and they whisper among themselves. Oh yeah, they applaud.

Do I like the present state of affairs. Hell no. But it ain't going to stop me from doing what I love to do and giving it everything I've got.

Enjoyed our little chat.

Best wishes, as always,

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