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Davidzajac
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I took this effect really kindly. I have memorized the chart in corinda. It doesn't sound like much but there's 64 numbers in total. I was wondering do other performers of this miracle memorize or rely on the methods disclosed by corinda. Also, I was wondering about performance tips and ideas to keep up with the theme and timing. Suggested framework would be nice. Thank you all contributors to this wonderful platform.
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The best thing I've read on the KT is Paul Brook's explanation of it in The Chrysalis of a Polymath, mainly because in addition to covering the how of the thing he also goes through a great deal of detail about presenting it in a way that makes people understand and care about the mental feat being presented. I haven't really seen that aspect discussed elsewhere and it is vital, especially for something as abstract as the KT.

(Disclosure: Paul is a friend of mine, so maybe someone else can offer an opinion without it seeming like cronyism.)

(It really is a great piece though and worth checking out http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/coapm.htm .)

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Thanks. I think this is exciting news to me but I think I should do some more thinking on my own before taking the plunge. So to speak. However, I Will look into this when I have the funds.
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If you want to explore method, I have free tutorials and training app on my website.

http://www.mindmagician.org/tour3.aspx

This teaches the Roget method (he of Thesaurus fame). The advanced procedure allows the spectator to choose the starting AND ending squares.

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Michael I just realized something is wrong. In the book I memorized the numbers in order from left to right. In application that makes no sense. They run from left to right but when I put them into practice they are all over the board. A little help here please.
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David - the Corinda sequence is read out top to bottom, then left to right. I.e., down the rows and across the columns.

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There's a nice tip for presentation in "Paul Daniels Adult Magic" by Barry Murray.
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It's all starting to make since. Thanks for the awesome recommend.
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Lior Manor also has some nice work on this routine and a way to make it play big.
21st Century Knights Tour: http://youtu.be/5lIaYvAW4z8
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Hi- I am new to the site...I have memorised the Corinda sequence and have had some props made to do a stage version (Large Magnetic board, Magnetic circles numbered from 1-64 etc) -however I also had an iPad version which was brilliant - not only was it great to keep my memory up to speed with, but it worked as a "close up' version, the touch screen making it very tactile PLUS with an adaptor I could use it with a projector. Alas, my iPad crashed and now that I am restoring software - I see the app has disappeared an no longer in the app store ! - Does anyone know of anyone who makes/sells an iPad Knights Tour app ? Thanks
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On Aug 12, 2014, corpmagi wrote:
Lior Manor also has some nice work on this routine and a way to make it play big.
21st Century Knights Tour: http://youtu.be/5lIaYvAW4z8


I second the above post. Lior's approach is wonderful and it's nice that it comes packaged with a way to present this feat.

I am a big Paul Brook fan but I haven't picked up his Polymath release, so I can't speak to it. My recommendation of Lior's approach isn't meant to put it above Paul's, as Paul's may very well be better, but I like Lior's.

Plus Lior's makes it easy to practice and see if you messed up anywhere.

Also, there is the approach anybody can use with little to no memorization (spiraling in). I can't remember where I read about it, but it was during my obsession with KT several years ago.

Best of luck,
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Are you thinking, perhaps, of my "The Invisible Book Test" from my eBook "Mind Explosions," which enabled the performer to do the memory magic square and the Knight's Tour without much memory work?

See http://www.lybrary.com/mind-explosions-p-784.html
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No but now I have to buy that...

Darn you, Cassidy, darn you to heck!

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I saw someone do the 21st Century Knight's Tour from a laptop connected to a projector and it got a good reaction from the audience but I was wondering if spectators think that the computer does all the work? I feel they would and that would seem to spoil the effect somewhat. Am I just thinking differently than your standard non magician spectator.
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I saw someone do the 21st Century Knight's Tour from a laptop connected to a projector and it got a good reaction from the audience but I was wondering if spectators think that the computer does all the work? I feel they would and that would seem to spoil the effect somewhat. Am I just thinking differently than your standard non magician spectator.


I sell the program that allows you to project it in the big screen.
The performer just name the swuare to go and his helper
(Can be an audience member) will just touch this square and it will
become transparent.

Nothing to suspect because the software doesn't do any thing.
And the viddo you will get tips on how to present it.
There is also another big finish for the effect.
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Do you have a link - to where you sell it

And is this software from 2007 [or something] or is it an updated version [?]

Do you have a few moves on video as an example of what it looks like

Be interested to see how the audience sees the board/moves/squares being 'ticked off' as you go

Sorry for all the questions, but I do love this plot

I have done it before on a whiteboard, and with a sneaky crib I came up with [after watching Osterlind on the Corinda DVDs do his version]

I'm thinking of learning the 'stuff' - but then I would want a good display... whether that's buying a white board and maybe some sort of piece that colours in all squares it lands on... or a computer program

I'm thinking whiteboard may have a better feel than projected app

But I'm no where near decided on that

Thanks
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All you need to project on to a screen is da laptop and this https://www.amazon.com/Projector-Zenhon-......Src=srch any Chess program will work but some are better than others and have the squares numbered.
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When I perform this routine, I use a large display chess board, that I got from Devin Knight's "Knight's Tour Excalibur", although you can also buy a demo board from any place that sells chess supplies. The physical board does help to eliminate the idea that you are allowing the electronics to help you solve the tour. The only drawback to the physical board is that it's one more heavy and cumbersome prop you have lug around for shows. That's why some performers prefer an electronic board, since if you do corporate events, they are likely to already have a laptop projector and screen available for you.

Lior's program has gotten a bit dated over the years and really needs an update. It also has some flaws that could easily be addressed (e.g., it doesn't check to see if the participant made a legal move). I created a similar program using PowerPoint, so if you want to buy my used copy of Lior's program, you can contact me.

When I made the necessary numbered cards for the physical version, I encoded a crib on the backs of the cards, so if I have a brain fart while performing, I can glance down (even easier if you're blindfolded) and continue with the routine (although you should really put in the effort to memorize the pattern).

There is also a technique for having the participant choose both the starting and ending square for the knight that's over at the Grey Matters website. If you really want to take your tour to another level, you should check it out. It takes more practice than simply memorizing numbers, but it's worth it for impressing the chess enthusiasts in your audience who are familiar with the traditional patterns.
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On May 25, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:

Lior's program has gotten a bit dated over the years and really needs an update. It also has some flaws that could easily be addressed (e.g., it doesn't check to see if the participant made a legal move). I created a similar program using PowerPoint, so if you want to buy my used copy of Lior's program, you can contact me.



I would be more interested in your program than the old Lior one. Is it for sale and can it be bought for less than the insane amount of $125 us? I'm a little strapped right now, my wife's knee surgery and all but when her physical therapy is done I should be flush again.
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