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On May 25, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:

There is also a technique for having the participant choose both the starting and ending square for the knight that's over at the Grey Matters website.


That sounds insane

I guess you don't do it that way [?] just seems such another level.

I did see the Devin Knight board - but nowhere does it give dimensions. So I have no clue of what size he has in the package. But the other thing holding me back is that how do you 'fill' the board in as you go around square to square [?] - do you get the spec to put post-its on each square as you land [?]

And I assumned Lior's version was either updated or very old school now [well over 10 years old] - so thanks for the confirmation

Thanks again
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Lew Brooks and I put out another take on the knights tour which had certain advantages over the traditional methods. Check out the video at penguin for more info. This may be off interest to some.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7167
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On May 25, 2018, The Duster wrote:

I did see the Devin Knight board - but nowhere does it give dimensions. So I have no clue of what size he has in the package. But the other thing holding me back is that how do you 'fill' the board in as you go around square to square [?] - do you get the spec to put post-its on each square as you land [?]

It's just one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Slotted-Style-Vin......on+board

They also have a 36" one and magnetic ones. Yes, you'd have to make something or get more knights of the opposite color to fill in the squares.
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The one I have is more like this:
https://www.amazon.com/House-Staunton-Po......1MRGZ5W7

You use one of the Knight cards. The one I got came with 64 Number Cards, that you put in order in the pockets, then as the participant moves the knight as per your instructions, they remove each card. In the end, all the cards are removed. Devin includes a technique for those who don't want to memorize the entire route, but I don't think that plays as strong. While memorizing a sequence of 64 numbers seems daunting, it's actually not too tough, especially if you already know a mnemonic peg system.
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Devin Knight has published his entire routine in a booklet with the title Knight's Tour Excalibur. It is currently available from Hocus Pocus for less than $30 and includes templates for the number cards as well as details of where to obtain all the props needed (Philemon has given you the link to the most important prop in his post above). I bought the entire outfit when it was originally released - it used to cost several hundred dollars, so the booklet is a bargain!

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On May 25, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
The one I have is more like this:
https://www.amazon.com/House-Staunton-Po......1MRGZ5W7

You use one of the Knight cards. The one I got came with 64 Number Cards, that you put in order in the pockets, then as the participant moves the knight as per your instructions, they remove each card. In the end, all the cards are removed. Devin includes a technique for those who don't want to memorize the entire route, but I don't think that plays as strong. While memorizing a sequence of 64 numbers seems daunting, it's actually not too tough, especially if you already know a mnemonic peg system.



That actually looks rather good

I would rather have 64 blanks [rather than numbers] that each time the horsey lands on a square the blank is taken away

So at the end you have 63 normal chess squares and the horse [so it's been to every square]

You could do it the other way - but I think that might be harder for the spec helping you.

I will look into the ending up on a target square, though that sounds too hard.

But I would rather put more work in and do the presentation as A1, D3, H4, etc - rather than square 1, 15, 62, etc ... as although it may be a little less clear, I think for many it will make the method much more invisible and impossible
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On May 25, 2018, AllanK wrote:
Devin Knight has published his entire routine in a booklet with the title Knight's Tour Excalibur. It is currently available from Hocus Pocus for less than $30 and includes templates for the number cards as well as details of where to obtain all the props needed (Philemon has given you the link to the most important prop in his post above). I bought the entire outfit when it was originally released - it used to cost several hundred dollars, so the booklet is a bargain!

Allan


I believe recently Chess Gambit by Devin Knight [the full package with all props] - is still on sale, but that seems [from the photos] to be a normal chess board

Would love to know what board [size] as for £150 it might be a good purchase anyway [?]

BUT my QUESTION for anyone who has used the slot in chess board [36" one linked in anbove posts] - does it hold up... I mean do the pockets seem like they will get ripped easily by specs moving the knight [?] - and how do you use it on stage, is there a good stand you can buy??? Finally - how does it fair under the lights - does it blind with a reflection in certain angles [?]

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There is also a technique for having the participant choose both the starting and ending square for the knight that's over at the Grey Matters website.


I looked at it

I think it has the obvious upside of looking super impossible

I think it's a case of learning four 16 strings, rather than one loop of 64... so that isn't going to be harder

But - unless I have this wrong, I think it is much harder to do 'blind' [not looking]

Where as the traditional way - it's not any harder

That method I'm not sure if you can always get it without seeing the board... but it sure is a great addition to the plot... I need to have a think about it
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Duster, Chess Gambit is NOT the Knight's Tour. However, it is an excellent prediction of a freely chosen chess piece that would work in thematically with the Knight's Tour. The chess board is a regular roll up vinyl board, so is not suitable. The Excalibur kit comes with a 36 inch board, carrying case, fold-up stand, number cards and chess pieces. I have only performed this on a few occasions where I had to present a chess-themed show, but it works very well, and you don't have to memorise anything if you choose to go that way - I certainly did! Mine is in excellent condition, but I remove the cards, not the spectator. It seems well made. The booklet explains everything in great detail. Lybrary.com has this in electronic form, as well as Chris Wasshuber's brilliant method for starting and finishing anywhere with a very clever method by Bob Cassidy for eliminating the memory work.

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Lew Brooks and I put out another take on the knights tour which had certain advantages over the traditional methods. Check out the video at penguin for more info. This may be off interest to some.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7167


I like this, there appears to be a lot of choices from the guests on where the cards are placed, and with the 36 card version, they select the starting point. It can be quicker than the KT, which has its benefits, and using playing cards seems to add difficulty and makes it more appealing to non chess players.


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I would be remiss if I didn't also mention Paul Brook's "The Chrysalis of a Polymath." The first chapter is devoted to the KT; the rest of the book is equally valuable as a source of other numerical feats.

Paul goes into great detail about the psychology of the KT and how to handle it for maximum impact.

Devin Knight's "Chess Gambit" is a nice chess-themed mentalism routine that has a novel method for presenting a "book test"-style effect. I have performed it in conjunction with KT to good effect, as it does serve nicely as a lead-in. I would love to have someone knowledgeable in electronics to make me a component that could be used with this routine, as opposed to the sneaky method that Devin uses.
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My program is a flash program that was designed by Haim Goldenberg
It was working perfectly 2007 and it is working amazing now!

The program have a lot of advantages: you can have numbers on the squares
or just the 1-8 and A-H on the side of the board.
There is a beautiful animation that explains the different moves the queen can do and the knight can do
you can have an extra finish: when the squares are clicked they become transparent.
and you see the background. you will see more and more scrambled letters which have no meaning.
When you finish the tour and got your applause, you can click one more time and the letters will
form anything you wrote before the show:
Hp is the best in the world
or
the card will be the 7 of hearts
or
the word from the book is Newspaper
or what ever you want

all you need to carry is a usb stick and use one of the audience member
to operate the computer: he just click on the square you tell him
If he did a mistake he can click the square again and it will restore

The screens are beautiful
you will get also instructions written by Ken Weber
and 2 ways to remember the tour.
this is the easy part

the difficult part is to present it in a strong way
I use blindfold and a lot of theater
This routine is better for the high tech people
and I did it in many conferences around the world
There is also a video of me doing it so you can see how I do it
and then you can do it the way you want to do it.

you can also do it from your laptop or on a TV screen or on Huge screen with a projector
please paypal 45$ to liormagic@yahoo.com and you get all the files

http://liormanor.co.il/images/blog/1.png
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Lior's program has gotten a bit dated over the years and really needs an update. It also has some flaws that could easily be addressed (e.g., it doesn't check to see if the participant made a legal move). I created a similar program using PowerPoint, so if you want to buy my used copy of Lior's program, you can contact me.



I would be more interested in your program than the old Lior one. Is it for sale and can it be bought for less than the insane amount of $125 us? I'm a little strapped right now, my wife's knee surgery and all but when her physical therapy is done I should be flush again.


you can buy my program for 45$ directly from me
it is up to date and it is the best program.
Talk To The Screen. The best effect for professionals
http://www.theliortouch.com

The Big Package plus with the Big Trivia, The small Trivia, The puzzles
The First letters, The Celebrities, Subliminal PowerPoint, the VMC lecture
and many more routines [/url]

Penguin Live lecture http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7645
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On May 25, 2018, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:

Lior's program has gotten a bit dated over the years and really needs an update. It also has some flaws that could easily be addressed (e.g., it doesn't check to see if the participant made a legal move). I created a similar program using PowerPoint, so if you want to buy my used copy of Lior's program, you can contact me.



I would be more interested in your program than the old Lior one. Is it for sale and can it be bought for less than the insane amount of $125 us? I'm a little strapped right now, my wife's knee surgery and all but when her physical therapy is done I should be flush again.


you can buy my program for 45$ directly from me
it is up to date and it is the best program.


Thank you, Lior, for unintentionally setting the price on my program (which is a PowerPoint program that can be inserted into any existing presentation).

It is essentially three slides. The first slide "chooses" a particular chess problem from among of list of six different possibilities, settling on the "Knight's Tour." The second slide is a brief animation showing how the knight moves. The third slide is the board. It is currently numbered from 1 to 64, but it would be quite easy to change it to A1 to H8 notation. As you click on each square, the knight moves from square to square, and the square it was on, drops out of existence, spinning as it goes. As the squares clear away, the initial background image fades to black, then in slowly replaced by the 3D animation of a spinning knight.

Best of all, I'll sell mine for $40, and I can send you the file via e-mail. No shipping from a foreign country required.

And if buyers make suggestions for improvements and I incorporate them, I'll send out free updates to all original buyers upon request.

How's that for an offer?
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I really like Lior, and enjoyed his Penguin lecture, found him to be an amusing and very good performer [from the lecture]

But…

You could tell there was a ‘but’ coming couldn’t you?

But, even if the Knight’s program was state of the art when it came out… that was over 10 years ago.

I’m not saying ‘older’ presentational systems/props are inherently worse for a modern mentalist act – in many cases the opposite would be true

But for an ‘app’ like this… well I’m not sure it would cut it…

I guess you could ‘sell’ the old school program with presentational patter.

If there is much interest, I’m sure a refresh wouldn’t cost much.

That leaves me torn between the ‘real’ vinyl chess display, and the PPPP [ProfessorPhlemonPowerPoint]

Mr V, do you have any video of the program, just showing how it looks [?] – Though to be honest I’m totally undecided, as I do like the old school-ness of using the roll down vinyl board. Also having it on the vinyl board makes it easier to do it without looking [as in it’s easier to prove you are not cheating… technology being what it is, it’s less suspicious]

Did anyone say they do the start and end on any square presentation? And if they do – do they do it without looking at the chess board.
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All the files will be sent by email.
No need to send from foreign countries.
Philmon bought it in 2009 but there was a problem with the
mail and I had send him 4 times. -:)
He told me he will give a bad review.

But
The progaram looks smazing Duster. You did see it.
I will upload few screenshots when I have time.
Its OK if you don’t buy it. I did many shows
Using this program in many foreign countries.
And fir me the USA is also a foreign country.
:
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The Big Package plus with the Big Trivia, The small Trivia, The puzzles
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and many more routines [/url]

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I said it and I will say it again: it doesn’t matter what software you use
or what methods you use, this is a very difficult effect to
deliver.
It doesn’t suit everybody.
Make sure to practice a lot.
I do itonly when I have engineers or high tech people
in the audience. (And I have many shows like that)
Practice practice practice

Lior
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http://www.theliortouch.com

The Big Package plus with the Big Trivia, The small Trivia, The puzzles
The First letters, The Celebrities, Subliminal PowerPoint, the VMC lecture
and many more routines [/url]

Penguin Live lecture http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7645
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I teach a method for choosing the start and end squares on my website - there is also a free online training app.

www.mindmagician.org/tour3.aspx

Mike
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On May 25, 2018, Steven Keyl wrote:
Lew Brooks and I put out another take on the knights tour which had certain advantages over the traditional methods. Check out the video at penguin for more info. This may be off interest to some.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7167


I like this, there appears to be a lot of choices from the guests on where the cards are placed, and with the 36 card version, they select the starting point. It can be quicker than the KT, which has its benefits, and using playing cards seems to add difficulty and makes it more appealing to non chess players.


Tony


On the download, although not demonstrated, we explain how to do a 25 card version as well. For me, I've found that the length of the routine is nearly halved with the 36 card version, and that's made it FAR more easy to engage spectators through the entire span of the performance. It's just slightly more relatable to call out to spectators, "Jack of clubs" than to use standard chess descriptors like "C3" and "H8", which, as you've pointed out can make it more enjoyable for those that don't know anything about the game.
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That leaves me torn between the ‘real’ vinyl chess display, and the PPPP [ProfessorPhlemonPowerPoint]

Mr V, do you have any video of the program, just showing how it looks [?] – Though to be honest I’m totally undecided, as I do like the old school-ness of using the roll down vinyl board. Also having it on the vinyl board makes it easier to do it without looking [as in it’s easier to prove you are not cheating… technology being what it is, it’s less suspicious]


I agree that using a large vinyl presentation board is the preferred way to go. As you said, the lack of technology eliminates the possibility of using it to cheat somehow. In my opinion, it plays much better.

The only reason I would use the Powerpoint version is if I was traveling and needed to minimize the amount of props I was carrying. Also, if I was playing a large venue, I would use the Powerpoint version to enhance the physical prop. I would have my tech person click the squares as the participant removed the cards from the board.

Please note, that my Powerpoint version will not support the start/stop anywhere method. In fact, it locks you into one particular path (although you can choose to start anywhere you wish, or the participant chooses). You will have to memorize a specific algorithm (that's provided), unless you want to go in and change all the animation paths.

BTW, the only reason I'm offering my version is because Senor Fabuloso asked.

It's true that I bought Lior's version. I'm not giving the actual program a bad review; just the lousy customer service I received from Lior during the purchasing process.

If you're interested in a review, here is a link to Scott's review on his Grey Matters blog:
http://headinside.blogspot.com/2006/08/r......our.html

As Scott writes, there are two criticisms of Lior's program that you should consider:
"As you'll note from the slideshow, you can end with either a custom text background, or the built-in picture . . . Unfortunately, you cannot choose to use your own custom picture if you choose this option." and "One minor criticism I have about the program itself is that it won't prevent illegal moves. Regardless of which square you're currently located, you can hit any other square that is still visible. As you'll often be using people from the audience to click on the board as you call out the numbers, it would have been nice if the program could prevent a square being mis-clicked."

Please note that my Powerpoint also suffers from the second criticism, so you'll either need to pick a participant VERY carefully, or use a tech person to operate the program (which is what I did).

I put together a quick video and uploaded it on YouTube in case you would like to see what it looks like:
https://youtu.be/d4uyMAYXihA
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