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I have learned both, but I am having greater success with the latter--indeed, I purchased Derek Delgaudio's download and it really is worth it. The truffle just seems easier for me to control, and the sticky problem of unweaving--the bane of the Heinstein for me--is taken care of in the method. Above all, there is no vexing problem of tracking and restoring a displaced top covering card, since there isn't one. Delgaudio instructs well how to prepare for the shuffle whether one is willing to accept the cards being cut or if one insists that they remain in original uncut order.

That said, I just have to say that the Heinstein just LOOKS better. Packets are completely riffled together, and the covering card makes the waterfall look much more convincing. The lack of such cover in the Truffle leaves me feeling a tad exposed, though I expect lay people would never notice (though magicians would). But the Heinstein is tougher for me to control--the unweave sometimes gets stuck, and the cover card demands very fussy thumb placement to execute the waterfall.

I am finding that hand strength is an issue for me. New cards are too slick and stiff and squirt all over the place, and some cards--like Aviators, which I love--are intrinsically stiffer even when worn in and they just don't play nicely here. I also tend to shuffle very close to my body, as occasionally in the truffle the waterfall will squirt the cards toward me and this keeps them from hitting the deck.

Interested in others' experience with these and other in-hands shuffles.

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My in the hands riffle of choice is the Hollingworth false shuffle which is similar in effect to the Heinstein. Like you mention, these types of shuffles are susceptible to cards binding up and sticking during the unweave. I've developed a few subtleties to prevent that from happening but it is an inherent risk with these shuffles.

Been using this shuffle for years so never bothered to learn the Truffle Shuffle although it does look and sound perfect in Derek's hands. When I see others do it, it seems the sound of the riffle is often a bit unnatural which is why I decided to just stick with what I already do.
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On Sep 1, 2014, Steven Keyl wrote:
My in the hands riffle of choice is the Hollingworth false shuffle which is similar in effect to the Heinstein. Like you mention, these types of shuffles are susceptible to cards binding up and sticking during the unweave. I've developed a few subtleties to prevent that from happening but it is an inherent risk with these shuffles.

Been using this shuffle for years so never bothered to learn the Truffle Shuffle although it does look and sound perfect in Derek's hands. When I see others do it, it seems the sound of the riffle is often a bit unnatural which is why I decided to just stick with what I already do.


In the video Derek uses Arrcos, which are a little thinner and very springy right out of the box. I have some Arrcos too and even I can get a nice sound. Likewise with Arrco Tahoes, but those are expensive and hard to find so I don't overuse the few I have. Bikes and Phoenix need to be worked in a bit. Aviators just don't seem to loosen up much with use. I was practising the truffle yesterday with Aviators and my hands today hurt like heck.

I will check out the Hollingsworth.

I wanted to mention in passing that the False Butt Shuffle as described by Juan Tamariz in Mnemonica has become my false overhand of choice. It is simple, looks good and convincing as long as one messily bevels the packets as suggested, and really hard to mess up. It really easy to sneak a crimp into the top or bottom card to get the deck back into uncut order if there isn't work already. As with many of us the first full-deck overhand shuffle I learned was the Hunter Shuffle from Royal Road. I have given up on it. I handle the packets too gingerly so as not to lose the break, and I have sometimes lost track of what little counting there is involved Smile
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The False Butt Shuffle is the same one that Lennart Green refers to as the Greek Shuffle, if memory serves. If not, someone who knows better can correct me. It is a very deceptive overhand shuffle though I don't use it often.

The overhand shuffle I use all the time I only know by the name "Overhand Cut Shuffle" though I believe that's not its proper name. I don't use the Hunter Shuffle either.
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My in the hands riffle of choice is the Hollingworth false shuffle which is similar in effect to the Heinstein.


I got a very quick glance at a copy of Drawing Room Deceptions, and this looks very much like a TRUE shuffle that is stripped out after completion, as opposed to the Zarrowesque Heinstein or Truffle.

The Hollingworth seems to me to be what Oz Perlman uses in his Emerge Triumphant routine on his Triumph video (a compilation of several approaches to the Triumph effect). I have to admit that the asymmetric cascade and subsequent reversal is quite challenging for me to control. But I used to say the same thing about the Truffle and I am a lot better at that now after several hours.

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See also Dai Vernon's On the Hay False Dovetail Shuffle in The Vernon Chronicles 3 ~ Further Lost Inner Secrets.
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Les, you are right on the Hollingworth. I could have sworn that was the same mechanics as the Heinstein, but apparently am quite mistaken. Thanks for the correction.

Kabbalah, is that the same shuffle as written up in Tarbell?
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Les, you are right on the Hollingworth. I could have sworn that was the same mechanics as the Heinstein, but apparently am quite mistaken. Thanks for the correction.

Kabbalah, is that the same shuffle as written up in Tarbell?


This shuffle is Vernon's handling of Henry Hay's (June Barrows Mussey) false in-the-hands riffle shuffle. The Hay shuffle can be found in The Amateur Magician's Handbook.

I am not aware of a Tarbell reference.?
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I'm sure you're right and that's the one I'm thinking of. Can't verify it, though, because I can't find my copy of the Hay book. Just saw it last week. I'll find it soon and double-check. Thanks.
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This shuffle is Vernon's handling of Henry Hay's (June Barrows Mussey) false in-the-hands riffle shuffle. The Hay shuffle can be found in The Amateur Magician's Handbook.


The Hay was part of my slender boyhood library. The original is long gone, but I did find a used copy in good shape over the last year to replace it. I never looked at it much, given that it is so infrequently mentioned here, but I must go to it now. I don't recall there was a false riffle in there, but I do recall a detailed treatment of overhand false shuffling and its application to the Zingone spread.

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Kabbalah, rechecked the sources and the shuffle I was referring to is in Tarbell and not the Amateur Magicians Handbook. It's on page 255 of Tarbell 1. Anyway, this shuffle and the one you mentioned above do not appear to be the same.
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Kabbalah, rechecked the sources and the shuffle I was referring to is in Tarbell and not the Amateur Magicians Handbook. It's on page 255 of Tarbell 1. Anyway, this shuffle and the one you mentioned above do not appear to be the same.


Thanks for the reference. And, no, they are not the same.
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Does anyone use the Real Green Shuffle. There's no cover, but I do it while talking and just once as I say the word shuffle so attention is drawn to the shuffle just as its over and then follow with a couple of convincing cuts. I like it. Is the Truffle Shuffle much more realistic?
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I don't use a false riffle in the hands, but I do use Zarrow and Strip Out shuffles. Honestly, my favorite false shuffle for mem deck work has been Charlier. There is very little chance for it to mess up. I also put a breather in the first card of my stack so I can cut to it quickly.
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I love the Truffle Shuffle. DelGaudio's teaching video is excellent, well worth the $11.95 for this tool.

http://shop.dananddave.com/truffle-shuffle.html

I especially appreciate the security of knowing that a card will never bind and end up in the wrong half during the unweave. That gives me a lot of peace of mind so I can completely relax doing it.

Practice enough and you'll find the exact right finger position/angle adjustments to make your hands comfortable with it. If you have the right angles/positions for your hands, it takes very little finger strength. Your hands will feel tense when you start learning it, but when you have it right it will feel smooth and relaxed, never tense.

Learn it by practicing on a casino deck and all other decks will feel thin and flexible. I alternated practicing on a casino deck and a bicycle deck.

Practice constantly while watching TV and you'll get it. It took me six weeks before I thought mine was reliably decent. That was two years ago. Now it's as comfortable as my nice old slippers.
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I was at a magic get together a few weeks ago, and I was keeping my deck stacked in Mnemonica while seemingly doing tons of riffle shuffles in the hands, but I was actually using the Truffle shuffle. At some point awhile later I did a trick that clearly required a stack, and the other magicians just kept saying "but how did you stack it so quickly? You were shuffling all night!"

I'm not saying that to brag, but just to put in my endorsement for the Truffle shuffle. I've learned pretty much all the published in the hands shuffles that I'm aware of, including those mentioned in this thread, and I can say that for me the ease of performing the truffle shuffle mixed with the convincing illusion it gives (even to magicians, apparently) is enough to make it the ideal false riffle shuffle for most of my work. One more advantage I forgot to mention - as someone with child-sized hands (I kid you not), it's a very easy false shuffle to do.

Just my 2 cents... Smile
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I was at a convention a few weeks ago and saw Rick Smith doing some in the hands shuffles. I had to ask him if they were false shuffles. He told me it was the Truffle shuffle. In the right hands it is amazingly deceptive.
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Glad to see my thread still inspires months later! I am happy to say I have worked on my Truffle over the months and it is pretty smooth and effortless these days. Certainly worth it, and as deceptive as some recent posters have asserted.
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I recently just started to learn false shuffles for mnemonica, and I was torn between Heinstein or the the Truffle; for an in the hand riffle shuffle. Ended up buying both the Heinous Collection Vol 1 and the Truffle Shuffle by Derek Delgaudio. After watching and trying both, I am starting to like the Truffle shuffle more (mainly due to the single shuffle option and the unweave is more flowing). The biggest issue I am having right now (just starting) is sometimes the cards just fly everywhere.
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I really like the way the Heinstein looks and sounds; I wish I could get it down! Maybe this summer I'll be able to devote more time to it.
But my favorite false shuffle is still the optical shuffle, because I love the idea of doing nothing, in rhythm.
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