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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
For those of you that perform, do you change your routines when performing for magicians.
I know I used to think I had to. Though I'm not as active in the local magic scene these days, I used to think I had to create something special for the magicians whether they were coin guys or not. Over the years I find, just bringing out the stuff I am currently doing and is fresh in my head, hands, body etc. This topic has come up within threads of posted videos. What do you think? Harris with palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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avik_d Veteran user Targetting a Zillion, till now just 304 Posts |
I believe if the magicians for whom you're performing are nice enough, they'll enjoy what you usually perform for laypeople, and may offer you great tips for improvements. And If you want to fool them, they will take that up as a new challenging puzzle, and will just try to catch you up. If they can't, you'll get the best applause ever. Think which one will be beneficial for you as a performer for your targeted viewership.
Best,
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Richie Larson New user North Carolina 92 Posts |
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On Sep 4, 2014, avik_d wrote: Well said Avik.. I also agree with this train of thought. -Richie TwoTime |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
When I would enter a competition at the local Magic Circle I would usually select and effect and change the patter with a view to my magician audience and even what I thought the other contestants might perform.
As a youth I learned that you can floor magician judges by performing an effect they would have performed when young and then "turn the tables on them" in some way. "Know your audience" is a maxim for speech communication and any performance. However, the knowledge that some in a larger audience may be magicians has no influence at all as they will be influenced by group energy just like a "normal" person.
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
There's a lot of advice to people on here suggesting to never ever learn "magician foolers". I hope not everyone heeds it as I hope to still be fooled by great magicians!
I appreciate seeing other magic performers as long as they're entertaining, but if it is new and fools me, then that's all the more entertaining. |
harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
I don't completely eliminate them.
I do a dime and penny routine which ends with me giving the magician the penny. I briefly mentioned it in the p2p thread. The handling mimics the use of the you know what. Harris
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
I have no problem showing my layman routines to magicians. I don't have to fool them, but if I do, so much the better. Magicians focus not just on your method, but your presentation and moves, and can appreciate a routine in a very different way than a lay person. Sometimes a magician is fooled when they receive a surprise during the effect, which stops them from following and they can't backtrack. For example, I showed the routine I posted earlier on this forum (Imagine A Coin) to a few of my knowledgable magician friends. Even though they are well versed in the concealments, the appearance of the Chinese coin toward the end of the routine totally threw them off.
On the other hand, for me it is a waste of time to construct a routine just to fool the magician. I would need to start with a false premise, fake positions and use feints that have nothing to do with the effect, and make sure there is an unexpected surprise. It is not worth the effort for me to do this. Just construct a good routine, and use it for everyone.
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
I think its possible to create routines that are equally magician and laypeople foolers. The best example is "the funshop cups and balls" by Kent Gunn. It uses 3 different coloured balls, which might be overkill, but I think even laypeople can appreciate the additional difficultly in it.
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Roy Rocha New user 60 Posts |
I too had the same question as the OP when I joined a local magic club early this year. Initially, I was trying to perform magic that would "fool" the other magicians in the club. Of late, I have simply been attempting to perform GOOD magic in an entertaining way. If it happens to fool them too, then that's just a "bonus."
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themagiciansapprentice Inner circle Essex, UK 1381 Posts |
Fool or entertain?
Most magicians are amateurs .... With lots of sleights and long-drawn out stories ... And want to fool any-one who is still awake. Most professionals are entertainers ... Watch Penn and Teller, their emphasis is on entertaining in shows. If they fool magicians all well and good. For me enteraining my audience is of paramount importance. Often I won't choose to perform for magicians. And my shows are full of an equal mixture of sleights and self-working. Many tricks that have fooled folks came from my 1927 books not modern gimmicks or dvd that they primarily learn from.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I show magicians the same tricks I show everybody else, and in most cases they are just as fooled, no matter that they might know some things.
I remember one time Blaine was on the streets of NYC doing his walkup schtick downtown in a park we used to eat lunch sometimes. And my friends kept jabbering at me to show him something after he had floored people with one of his clever card tricks. He asked if I was a magician, and I pulled out two coins and showed him a little play with the Crimp Change, and blew him out his shoes! I did the effect the same way I had done it for hundreds of people before him, and his mind worked the same way when he saw that coin change right before his very eyes. The slick hand play behind it, sold it undeniably enough as magic and he asked me to teach it to him on the spot. I told him it was just something I was still playing with but was happy he liked it so much. We went on our separate ways but he kept looking back at me, and I just kept smiling.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Entertaining and knowing your audience(and venue) is key for me.
I used to like being known as a coin guy. That switched sometime ago. Harris Still too old to know it all and with Palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea as has Been said Know your Audience! When I worked bars ( For 25-30 Years) It was just Layman Stuff!
Then I Found Out that a lot of my Layman Stuff Fooled Magicians Too! So when I started Lecturing and Knowing my Audience! I wanted a few things For The Boys! So for me It's not A waste Of time! It's Just A hobby Like anything Is! Now If Most of my Stuff Was That kind of Thing Yea I have gone Way too far! And if you just do outer People's stuff NO You do not need that kind of thing! SOOO just do good stuff! If you do work For as they Say "the boys" And do that kind of stuff Chances are if it's in print that they have seen it or have it already! So always chasing after the latest stuff just to fool them is--- A waste of time! Better to just do good stuff-well done! But if you do come up with your own stuff I don't think there is any thing wrong with have a FEW Magician foolers as a hobby! |
harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Thanks to all for sharing your experiences.
We can argue opinions And not experiences. Harris.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Invisticone Regular user 132 Posts |
I liked this video by Penn and Teller about magic for magicians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP4_MuBugFo |
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