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An enjoyable read, some of which you may not agree with.
http://www.popehat.com/2014/09/06/u-c-be......y-wrong/
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Interesting article, but, at least once, the author commits the same kind of interpretive errors as the Chancellor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Sep 7, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I was going to say that the critique is at least as sloppy as the Chancellor's email.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Holy crap! I thought I noticed that but my academic days are well behind me and thought I was wrong.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
*YAWN*
The only reason I would ever pay any attention to anything the chancellor of Berkeley has to say is because Berkeley has such a good basketball team. Oh wait! I'm thinking of UCLA. Because, you know, the chancellor there really knows how to set things straight when it comes to free speech. Remember the Asians in the Library incident? You know, when the chancellor decided to leave his ivory tower to publicly humiliate a first-year student for her poor judgment. Set her straight, I tell you, because free speech and democracy needed a competent advocate. University chancellors are giants of wisdom, and we should pay more attention to them. |
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think it's a bit odd the heads of some secular universities are still called chancellors. A chancellor was originally a judge in the chancery courts- courts of equity that were originally under the jurisdiction of the Church.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Sep 8, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I believe the chancellor was a gate-keeper, protecting entry into a court or church. He stood behind a lattice (cancellus). Later, chancellors were given more authority, as you note, in the chancery court. Universities in general have retained an amusing number of medieval traditions, including those ridiculous robes worn at ceremonies where degrees with Latin names are awarded.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think that mortar boards are pretty ridiculous as well. Where does ANYONE wear one of those outside of graduation ceremonies or comic books?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Just for fun:
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Wait. What turning point? Is an anniversary a turning point? We haven't established — or even stated — that Berkeley is facing a turning point. This is a null-phrase. I thought it was clear that the Chancellor was referring to the Free Speech Movement as a turning point, being honored on its anniversary, not that there was a current turning point.. Quote:
"Context" is the mother of prevarication. All constitutional rights occur in context. Quote:
. For free speech to have meaning it must not just be tolerated, it must also be heard, listened to, engaged and debated. Straw man. The Chancellor doesn't say - or imply - that free speech must have meaning; he only says that it certain circumstances, it doesn't have meaning. Moreover, the author has (apparently, to me) misinterpreted the Chancellor to be saying that the content must have meaning, where he appears to be saying that the right has no meaning in some instances. Here's an example of what I interpret the Chancellor to be saying: If an unpopular speaker comes to campus to speak, and nobody can hear what he says because a bunch of students are screaming "La la la la la can't hear you!" at the top of their lungs, then the fact that the speaker has a free speech right is meaningless. The critique here appears so far off base that it reminds me of a Smullyan line, "I do not understand what you are saying, but I disagree with it." Well, anyway...and so on.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Sep 8, 2014, stoneunhinged wrote: I'm waiting until they learn to pronounce their own name. Some way to honour old the old Bishop.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Lobo wrote:
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The Chancellor doesn't say - or imply - that free speech must have meaning; he only says that it certain circumstances, it doesn't have meaning. Moreover, the author has (apparently, to me) misinterpreted the Chancellor to be saying that the content must have meaning, where he appears to be saying that the right has no meaning in some instances. That's EXACTLY the, way I reacted to the author's misinterpretation of the Chancellor. He was clearly talking about the right, and not the particular speech itself. |
Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
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On Sep 8, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: The right reverend James Harvest?
What do we want?
A cure for tourettes! When do we want it? C*nt! |
Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
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On Sep 7, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Yup, laughably so. For one to write about "speech" and be so miscorrect about its use is comical and sad all at once. And yes, I used "miscorrect" for artistic purpose. I'm no defender of Berkeley nor it tension with its chancellors. When someone purports to be about to set things straight about speech, and doesn't comprehend that "honoring a turning point", especially in such context as the quoted message, is more likely to mean a past event than the present one... Well that person vacates any shred of credibility they might have been afforded. I must say, ignorance rarely enlightens. |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is the equivalent of accidentally shooting oneself in the foot during a firearm safety course. Which by the way I have witnessed.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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