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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
Pop Haydn's Coins Across in the W. C. Fields Bar at the Magic Castle:
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Doug Arden Special user 886 Posts |
Great, great routine, Pop! Very entertaining and flawlessly performed. Thanks for sharing!
Doug |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Nice. Fun.
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
I still don't understand this plot. From a layman's perspective, what is the point of having 3 coins on each side? It's like starting halfway through a trick. The three coins in your right hand don't do anything. They start in your right hand and end in the same place.
(I'm not critiquing you as a magician. It's a very common plot that simply baffles me. I just don't understand why so many magicians do it.) Your audience seemed to really enjoy it which is all that matters (and it was performed well. Far be it from me, some no one, to say anything.) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Maybe something about a collection being divided by mundane means then restored by magical means ... if you're looking for depth?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
I love Mr. Haydn's coins across, so magical
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
I love Mr. Haydn's coins across, so magical
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daniel116 Regular user 196 Posts |
Amazing performance, thank you so much for sharing! I love your sleeve phase, I remember seeing it some years ago in a different video of yours on Youtube, this is a really great approach to magic and sleight of hand.
SmileAndNod: I get what you're saying, but as you can see, the routine works, and all the greatest have done a routine of this sort, with 6 coins, what's the logic behind it? I don't know, but obviously it works. Did you know that we, as human beings, don't know exactly how bicycles work? now of course this doesn't mean we're going to stop using them, because... they work! even if we don't know the logic behind them! Seriously check it out: http://www.newstatesman.com/science/2013......les-work |
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manreb Special user 666 Posts |
Daniel116
As Artie Johnson might say " Veeeery interting" |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, manreb wrote: Artie who?!!? (Actually I know, but you're giving away your age -- Sock it to me.) |
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, daniel116 wrote: Hey. Here's the actual paper on it. http://ruina.tam.cornell.edu/research/to......ised.pdf If you read the last paragraph, it tells you exactly how a bicycle works. Just some factors are more or less important than we thought. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I don't know, but POP works for me. I like the play & showmanship of the effect (and all his work) and obviously so do the specs, so really, what's not to like? I mean, it's sorta like still being able to recognize something as funny even though you don't speak the language, or something like that.
I gotta tell'ya, for me, I always want to leave with the specs amazed and entertained. I try to keep things simple so they can follow well enough (or so they believe). I have seen where folks just don't get it, or perhaps just don't like it for some reason, but the reason is always small and often times more thinking than the specs give the effect to better discern it. Believe it or not, not all people take magic as an exam that they must score 90% on…Most people just want to be amazed and love the small moments of it. Those are the folks I like most. *Oh, and daniel, that bicycle thing is interesting alright but perhaps the fact that the bumble should not be able to fly, but it does, might be another good example along these lines.
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic
"Believe in YOU, and you will see the greatest magic that ever was." -Mb |
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, Mb217 wrote: *cough* http://www.snopes.com/science/bumblebees.asp |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I didn't say, "Bumblebees 'can't' fly," as that article states, that would be ridiculous because they most obviously can. I said that they "...should not be able to fly" as scientists had investigated their aerodynamics and thought it should not be able to support flight. That's a bit different. It seemed to be a conundrum they couldn't better explain at one point in face of the obvious. The bigger point here is toward something people don't think can be but clearly is, despite the supposed best of analytic notions about it, or something like that.
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic
"Believe in YOU, and you will see the greatest magic that ever was." -Mb |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Looking for "logic" in magic is a magician's thing. (Motivation is a different topic.) Think about it. What is so logical about putting a coin from the right hand into the left hand and then opening the hand to show that the coin has disappeared? Logically, a magician would hold the coin in the right hand, openly, and--poof!--it would disappear.
I've done the stack of quarters for a long time. After the quarters apparently pass through the spectator's hand, I have a stack of dimes appear in place of the quarters. Totally illogical. Yet I've never heard a layman say, "That is illogical," about that or any other trick I've done. They say, "How did those dimes get there? Amazing!" We are not real magicians, and how we do a lot of what we do is dictated by method. Han Ping Chien only works with three coins in each hand. So that is what we do. It is no less amazing for being "illogical." |
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, Mb217 wrote: You're perpetuating nonsense. The idea that Bumblebees shouldn't be able to fly most likely stems from a jest of an engineer while out drinking. He did some quick calculations that treated a bee's wings as rigid while they are not. |
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, Ray Haining wrote: Han Ping Chien doesn't need 3 coins in each hand... I think a better presentation is to do 3 coins and a ring (or a coin of a different color) if you are insistant on using that move. (Personally I have never seen the move performed well enough to warrant using, but that's a very different conversation). Anyways, I think the routine would be fine logically if you start with 6 in one hand, make the first 3 travel one at a time, then say this is gonna take too long and do the last 3 at once. Idk. 6 coins is too many for that though. Maybe do it with 4. It just doesn't make sense to me to introduce 3 coins that don't do anything. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On Sep 9, 2014, SmileAndNod wrote: Let's stick to the real road here. If the point of the examples don't work for you, then don't use them. Onward!
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic
"Believe in YOU, and you will see the greatest magic that ever was." -Mb |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
[quote]On Sep 9, 2014, SmileAndNod wrote:
Han Ping Chien doesn't need 3 coins in each hand... After I posted, I realized someone would point this out. I should have said that Han Ping Chien requires the some coins in each hand. SmileAndNod makes my point: this business of "logic" is a magician thing. When has any magician, at any time in history, heard a layman spectator say, "That's illogical"? What is important is clarity of effect. |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Correction: Delete "the" before "some" in above post.
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