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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
....and you get a violent society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnJPuc_......3A0ZjYjQ It's been an hour since I watched this and I'm still sick to my stomach. If this piece of garbage doesn't go to jail for a LONG time then it will be a travesty. As stated in the video Texas allows for corporal punishment so I guess we'll see.
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
I agree- A. Peterson didn't use corporal punishment he BEAT his child. Very disturbing and disgusting. And yet another child of his from, yes, another mother just came forward to say how he BEAT and left a scar below the child's eye. Horrible. If you do not have self-restraint and know the difference between spanking and beating then you need help. This discussion has been around here before. Spanking is absolutely fine yet BEATING is not!
RNK
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
I think we need to make owning switches illegal. That should solve the problem.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote: This was a vicious assault against a helpless child. all the more sickening because he supposedly did it for "the childs own good." Spare the rod and all that. He's done it before, leaving a scar near the childs eye. He could have easily blinded the child. He actually has a room set aside for this, with belts and who knows what else. He should be charged with every possible crime - assault, endangering the welfare of a child and anything else he can be LEGALLY charged with and if found guilty, which isn't a given considering the law in Texas, sentenced to the absolute maximum for each charge. As far as corporal punishment is concerned I think that words and other forms of discipline are ultimately more effective. Having said that, and having a child, I can see how some people might reach the point where a few swats on the behind, for shock value, might seem reasonable. I've been lucky that my son has been well behaved for the most part. Time outs and taking away the things he likes have been enough. Though his mother and I are not together we've remained friends and are in synch when it comes to discipline. She has only swatted his butt two times to my knowledge, and both times were when he was three and he hit her out of frustration. Both times she asked " Do you like getting hit? No? Then don't hit me." which I agreed with as it's morally correct in my mind. To my mind the only justification for violence is in answer to violence towards you. Or the reasonable expectation of violence. When are we going to begin removing violence from the human psyche on a fundamental level? If we don't where are we headed? What's the human races endgame? Call me naive but effects have causes.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Punishment is one thing. Abuse is another. Punishment with a weapon on a child is abhorrent.
Yes I was hit with belts and such. I think as a society we have evolved past this ridiculous thinking. Hopefully kids having kids, which seems popular, doesn't come back to bite us on the backside. Also of a child has done something wrong punishment often becomes a release for anger for the parent as opposed to educating the child to correct behavior. Hitting is not educational.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, rockwall wrote: Really? You're making smart remarks about this? Did you see the injuries? Happening all the time so what's the big deal, right? You're using this to sneak in the 2nd amendment argument going on elsewhere in NVMS? Really?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
To be fair the use of sarcasm and such you employ is much like the point you make with violence. You name call and you bait people and you have taught people this is how to deal with you. It is actually a perfect illustration of your point.
Danny Doyle
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, NYCTwister wrote: I agreed with you that this was HORRIBLE! Any BEATING is HORRIBLE! But a spanking is not horrible. A Spanking is NOT a BEATING. My three boys were spanked (I say WERE because after a few spanks they associated bad behavior with pain and no longer do the things they did that got them the spanking because they remember the consequences) and now I NEVER have to spank them and they are the most loving, gentle, respectful kids. Not to mention- they LOVE me more than I can fathom. As a matter of fact all the teachers my sons have had in school RAVE about how good, respectful and kind my boys are to everyone including them. So don't tell me SPANKING messes a child up in the mind. BEATING- YES- will mess them up.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The whole endgame for the human race is pretty scary. Historically so much tyranny has been perpetrated for this purpose. Plus having the answers to all the problems of the world is laughable.
Danny Doyle
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: He's not dealing with me on a personal level, he's commenting on the subject of a thread. Also to be fair the name calling and baiting went both ways.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
But if the endgame of the whole human race is your goal then someone of your vast intelligence and superior ideals should be above it and set an example for us lesser folk.
If you can't manage to do this on just a Madge board and control yourself how can you hold the entire human race to a standard you can not uphold? High horse is a tough place to fall from huh?
Danny Doyle
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote: Why so much? I didn't attack you. I said I understood, I just use different methods. I never said anything to vilify people who choose to spank their kids. I'm pretty sure that any pain you caused by spanking was more of a shock and had no lasting physical consequences. Nor does it seem that there were any psychological consequences. You seem to have well behaved, respectful children as I have a well behaved, respectful son. We just reached the same destination by taking different routes. To be clear going forward I DO NOT equate spanking with beating or child abuse.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: I never said that I was above anyone and, again, the vitriol went both ways. I have my opinion on things as do others. Sometime tempers flare and things go too far to the detriment of all. We both know what this conversation stems from, which is basically that I disagreed with you and others, and things got out of hand. I think we can both agree that the 1st amendment protects both of our right to express our opinion. Can we please keep this thread about the subject at hand. To be fair I should have thought longer before naming this thread. One more thing Danny, which you may find hard to believe, which is this - I make it a point to approach EVERY police officer and member of the military that I see and thank them for their service. I understand what their service means, as I understand what yours meant. For that I here, publicly thank you also. Whether you believe me or not.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Violence is the best answer to some things. People who abuse children, for example, ought to be violently punished.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I would believe you. I have never seen you outright lie about anything. Why would I not believe you approach them and do that? You seem like a forthright person and I have never had any reason to doubt that.
Yes tempers flare. Quite often what happens in real life when that occurs is violence. Easy to figure. When you make statements about the endgame of the human race, and you take positions of such grandiose statements it sort of makes you look like you do feel you are above others. When you make statements and use sarcasm as your primary means of communication (Which you do unprovoked.) it leads people to these conclusions. You are a good person. I know this. I just think often you let your passions get the best of you. Nothing wrong with this. It is what makes the world go round. I like passion for ideals. Without that we would still have some pretty sad status quo in the world.
Danny Doyle
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, NYCTwister wrote: Hey, you're the one that thinks making the weapon illegal will solve the problem. I thought you'd like my suggestion. After all, what is a switch used for but to beat a child? Does it have any other use? Here I am, trying to help solve a problem and you go berating me. If you're not for making switches illegal, then you have blood (scars?) on your own hands the next time one is used. Maybe you think that making them illegal wouldn't solve the problem because anyone who wanted to use one to beat a child would ignore the law and get one anyway. Hmmm, if that's what you think, you might just have a point. Here's a differing opinion on the whole matter of the use of switches. http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/......_on.html |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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Ah, the classic "everybody else is doing it so it must be OK" defense. Leave it to you to come up with the lamest excuses. But then simple solutions for simple minds.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Do 97% agree?
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, NYCTwister wrote: No problem. Just, no where in your post do I see "I agree" or "I understand". Your post came across like we all have to stop spanking our kids as if your time out and taking things away was the only way and when are we going to remove violence talk, is what I saw in your posts. But no problem. You feel one way, I feel another in that it's because the lack of discipline (spanking) is that kids are becoming more spoiled with a bratty attitude. But that's just my opinion.
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Sep 16, 2014, tommy wrote: Yes, according to the simple minds......
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