On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote:

I agreed with you that this was HORRIBLE! Any BEATING is HORRIBLE! But a spanking is not horrible. A Spanking is NOT a BEATING. My three boys were spanked (I say WERE because after a few spanks they associated bad behavior with pain and no longer do the things they did that got them the spanking because they remember the consequences) and now I NEVER have to spank them and they are the most loving, gentle, respectful kids. Not to mention- they LOVE me more than I can fathom. As a matter of fact all the teachers my sons have had in school RAVE about how good, respectful and kind my boys are to everyone including them. So don't tell me SPANKING messes a child up in the mind. BEATING- YES- will mess them up.

On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote:

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On Sep 16, 2014, NYCTwister wrote:

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On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote:
I agree- A. Peterson didn't use corporal punishment he BEAT his child. Very disturbing and disgusting. And yet another child of his from, yes, another mother just came forward to say how he BEAT and left a scar below the child's eye. Horrible. If you do not have self-restraint and know the difference between spanking and beating then you need help. This discussion has been around here before. Spanking is absolutely fine yet BEATING is not!

RNK

This was a vicious assault against a helpless child. all the more sickening because he supposedly did it for "the childs own good." Spare the rod and all that.
He's done it before, leaving a scar near the childs eye. He could have easily blinded the child. He actually has a room set aside for this, with belts and who knows what else. He should be charged with every possible crime - assault, endangering the welfare of a child and anything else he can be LEGALLY charged with and if found guilty, which isn't a given considering the law in Texas, sentenced to the absolute maximum for each charge.

As far as corporal punishment is concerned I think that words and other forms of discipline are ultimately more effective.
Having said that, and having a child, I can see how some people might reach the point where a few swats on the behind, for shock value, might seem reasonable. I've been lucky that my son has been well behaved for the most part. Time outs and taking away the things he likes have been enough.
Though his mother and I are not together we've remained friends and are in synch when it comes to discipline. She has only swatted his butt two times to my knowledge, and both times were when he was three and he hit her out of frustration.
Both times she asked " Do you like getting hit? No? Then don't hit me." which I agreed with as it's morally correct in my mind.

To my mind the only justification for violence is in answer to violence towards you. Or the reasonable expectation of violence.

When are we going to begin removing violence from the human psyche on a fundamental level? If we don't where are we headed?
What's the human races endgame?

Call me naive but effects have causes.

I agreed with you that this was HORRIBLE! Any BEATING is HORRIBLE! But a spanking is not horrible. A Spanking is NOT a BEATING. My three boys were spanked (I say WERE because after a few spanks they associated bad behavior with pain and no longer do the things they did that got them the spanking because they remember the consequences) and now I NEVER have to spank them and they are the most loving, gentle, respectful kids. Not to mention- they LOVE me more than I can fathom. As a matter of fact all the teachers my sons have had in school RAVE about how good, respectful and kind my boys are to everyone including them. So don't tell me SPANKING messes a child up in the mind. BEATING- YES- will mess them up.

On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote:
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On Sep 17, 2014, Ray Tupper. wrote:
A firm voice is as much, if not more, of a deterrent than the palm of a hand.
I'm a parent with a twenty year old who won't have to belt her kids either, because
she knows how to mete out punishment without striking.
The thought that a grown adult has to beat/spank (means the same, just sugar coated)a child
to gain the level of behaviour that that person requires is abhorrent to me.
Pick on someone your own size!

On Sep 17, 2014, tommy wrote:
I'm the man!

My grandson, he asked me if I wanted to see something today. He took off his shirt, lifted his arms and said “I'm the man!” It seems he now has a few arm pit hairs.

So these people, who hit children, beware, beware the thing that is comming, as these kids, they get big as time goes by and when they do, they will try it out with you.

On Sep 18, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
I always get my parenting advice from books written in the stone age.

Yup, Everthing the human race needs to know was discovered prior to the year 50!

On Sep 18, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:

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On Sep 16, 2014, RNK wrote:
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Kind of the same way North Korean citizens are so well behaved, huh?

On Sep 18, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
No. but I have faith that the majority citizens in a fascist dictatorship are throughly brainwashed and frightened in to total submission. Of course I got this from reading books written within the last 80 years , so I could be competely misinformed.

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On Sep 18, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
No. but I have faith that the majority citizens in a fascist dictatorship are throughly brainwashed and frightened in to total submission. Of course I got this from reading books written within the last 80 years , so I could be competely misinformed.

So what's your statement have to do with my boys being respectful boys that listen who do not cause trouble and are well liked by their teachers?

On Sep 19, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:

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On Sep 18, 2014, Pecan_Creek wrote:
No. but I have faith that the majority citizens in a fascist dictatorship are throughly brainwashed and frightened in to total submission. Of course I got this from reading books written within the last 80 years , so I could be competely misinformed.

So what's your statement have to do with my boys being respectful boys that listen who do not cause trouble and are well liked by their teachers?

Real simple... if you beat and terrorize them into submission , of course they are well behaved. I'm talking about the psychological terrorism of organized religion as well as the physical beatings.

On Sep 19, 2014, stoneunhinged wrote:
A spatula?