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Magic.Maddy Inner circle 1861 Posts |
I got a copy of Utsukishii to review from Fraser.
This is Fraser's method to discover someone's PIN number. To be more exact, this is Fraser's way to know a single digit number that someone is just thinking of. I believe this is an amazing discovery. This is based off of an old number force. This force used to be completely unheard of, but in modern times, it is kind of being brought back and being used in more routines. However, this is completely different than the force because you don't force a number! The number thought of by the spectator is genuinely a random number and genuinely personal and genuinely different each and every time you perform it. This is why Fraser has dubbed this "Force/Nonforce." The method is very solid. It uses no psychological forces. It works 100% of the time. The method is also extremely well hidden. I know that if Fraser had performed this on me, I wouldn't have been able to understand how he knew my number. (Even though I'm very familiar with the force it is based off of.) This is for two reasons: 1) He has broken the force up into two -seemingly unrelated- parts. 2) He has eliminated half of the work. There IS math involved, but only very basic single digit addition. I usually don't like math magic. But this definitely isn't math magic. It isn't a "process" of various adding/multiplying/subtracting. Rather, it's a logical way to get a single digit number that is personal to them. I love the thinking behind it. I still have no idea how Fraser thought to use the old force in this way. Fraser teaches how to use this principle along with a Michael Murray principle to determine a spectators PIN number. (This routine inspire Peter Turner's famous PIN routine.) This will work great with a PIN revelation, but I think it could be taken even farther than that. You could use it have someone think of a letter of the alphabet, or even a certain item from a list. In this way, you could force literally anything. A name, object, ANYTHING. The great thing is, this uses no props. It's all done with your words. The only think I don't like about this is because of the method, you couldn't really perform this for family or friends. It would have to be someone you don't know too well. But over all, I like it! I give it 9/10! To order, contact Fraser Parker! You can go to his site, or Pablo Amira's, or contact him on Facebook. |
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1871 Posts |
Hey guys, wanted to chime in and chat on how amazing this little piece of pure mind power is. I've been using this effectively over the phone and in person to absolutely destroy barriers in performance. On it's own it is a facinating principle that has a lot of potential in and of itself, but used in the context of a pin/phone code reveal, it absolutely kills and can really leave people in complete wonder. Literally this is so powerful that you HAVE to aproach it with a fun and light approach or people will be scared...use your senses boys and girls.
-Jakob |
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts |
"Fraser teaches how to use this principle along with a Michael Murray principle to determine a spectators PIN number. (This routine inspire Peter Turner's famous PIN routine.) This will work great with a PIN revelation, but I think it could be taken even farther than that. You could use it have someone think of a letter of the alphabet, or even a certain item from a list. In this way, you could force literally anything. A name, object, ANYTHING".
Just to clarify, it was a routine from my Biggerfish 2 that inspired this pin routine. I posted the entire history of the effect in latest and greatest but for clarification I will add it here. It was Michael Murray's routine with playing cards that inspired me to take the principle further and create a pin divination. - Two years ago I received a telephone call from Michael Murray and he shared with me over the phone a principle (that is used at the core of this routine). The initial use for the principle was with playing cards - I loved the idea and started realising that the principle could be applied to other things, I noticed how it could be used for pin codes (and many other things). I refined a pin divination that could be done over the phone using Michaels principle and something from Annemann's 101 methods of forcing. This worked incredibly and Michael gave me his blessing to perform it and lecture it (I was the only person with live and production rights from day one). Michaels principle came out some 6 months after and I waited till after Michael released it and I got his blessing 6 months later to release my effect in biggerfish 2 naming it the life equation variation and venom variation using a principle by Bob King. I had shared this effect with Fraser before Blackpool and he showed me his variation, the one thing I really liked was that he got his digit from the digit before instead of (like in mine forcing four digits) and treating each as a separate entity (owners of the effect will understand). I went away from Blackpool liking that and went back to my routine and worked out what I didn't like presentationally and logically. There was several things I didn't like in the original and took into account how Fraser had simplified the process and realised we had been approaching it from the wrong angle. I went back to the drawing board and changed it once more simplified it even further, made it logical (from my point of view) and then created a solid presentation based around the new idea. Mark chandaue, Paul Shirley added additional ideas. I then remembered back to Fraser having a force at the start and contacted Fraser recently to add an additional idea which he did. He then asked for my permission to release what you guys are reading now. Just saves the wolves coming on here and pulling the thread to pieces for mis information. Pete x |
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
Thank you for clarifying! Seems to me that you and Michael were such a large part of this work---you guys deserve the credit!
Regards, Mike Quote:
On Sep 29, 2014, Peter_turner wrote: |
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Fraser Parker Loyal user United Kingdom 280 Posts |
The main difference is how I get the first number. This takes up the bulk of the explanation in the manuscript and is something that can be applied to many other routines, other than a pin code divination. I decided to teach it the way I had been using it (with the pin reveal) and it was with Pete's permission as well as Michael's that this was put out. So yes, credit must go to both of these fine gentlemen for sharing with me what they have done previously and allowing me to put out my take on all of this.
Thanks again Pete and Michael. This will be on general release via Murphy's very soon as a physical book as well as a pdf, so will also be in all good magic shops in one form or another. In the meantime, you can still get it from my personal website. I am really pleased with how this has turned out and am really excited about this becoming a wider release. Yours, Fraser |
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bond19 Inner circle Blackpool, England 1338 Posts |
This is dynamite.. plain and simple!
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Thaddius.Barker New user 30 Posts |
I hate being "that guy," but I have to give my honest opinion of this effect. I purchased this ebook from Penguin today, read through it, and it is not at all what I was hoping for. I am not going to reveal the method out of respect for Mr. Parker, but I feel a bit cheated by the description. Mentalism is my forte; I love performing mind-to-mind. This is not at all mindreading, nor does it come across that way in the described performance.
As previously mentioned, it involves math magic - which unless you are performing Gridlock or Add-A-Number or something similar, should never be part of your performance. It requires the spectator to do math in his or her head; there is initial guesswork involved. It is correct in saying that - once you get the momentum going - you are 100% accurate in your revelation. But for almost $50 I expected something more mystical. I did purchase Fraser's "True Mysteries II" which I am very excited to receive, but I cannot pretend that I will actually use this one. I wish that I could obtain a refund so I could use it toward some of his other effects that look amazing. |
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DynaMix Inner circle 1148 Posts |
I have been on a blaze purchasing lately but I've steered away from this for the same reasons you and others have outlined. I purchased a piece of my mind which has a similar routine, and to pay $33 for a similar effect, with math magic tendencies, does seem "off" to me.
One of the rare situations where the price I think does more damage to the effect. Just my opinion... |
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
I see no reason why some little math can not be present in an effect where you divine numbers.
The "math magic" is simply some adds. I don't remember the ad, but when I read the book I was expecting something like that. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I like this effect, but it should be pointed out that as presented (and without tipping methods) this works better early in the year. By December you need to do some verbal juggling, which is clumsy, in virtually all cases. This is a severe limiting factor on this effect.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
I do not get your point... Only question might be whether he or she had her birthday already this year or not.... Jan
Jan Forster
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Yes, Jan. And by December 11 out of 12 will have had a birthday. If they already had a birthday, a note of artificiality creeps into the number force. To an intelligent, thinking audience it shows clink that should not be there. Unless you can come up with a good reason to ask the question, it is a weakness of the routine. I can come up with a good reason, but because of this I cannot wholeheartedly recommend this routine.
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
I don't know exactly how to say this in english, but: "How old will this year?" or "How many years you will have this year?". It sounds perfectly good in Spanish. I think this "problem" is not soooo difficult to avoid. If you think the question sounds weird you can ask for the next year.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Oct 20, 2014, Cristobal wrote: It is as simple in English as it is in Spanish. And in December eleven out of twelve of your audience will already have had their birthdays, so the number they come up with when you ask that question is one out from the number you want them to work with. So you have to backtrack. It is simple, but it is a weakness of the trick.
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
What I meant is that if you ask his age at the end of the year you don't need to fish anything. Or if you ask for the age next year. It doesn't matter if his birthday is in December or whatever.
Sorry if I didn't explain well. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Asking for the age at the end of the year, or their age next year, is very artificial. When someone asks your age the normal meaning is on the day they ask. Changing what you mean when you ask is not difficult, but it is artificial. And that will allow suspicious minds to begin trying to figure out methods. And that is a weakness. The fast that you will get away with it 99 times out of a 100 doesn't change that.
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Machina Elite user 408 Posts |
Every effect had a chink in the armour doesn't it?
Nail w÷%/$÷=$ break, sl3!ghts go wrong, something falls, someone sees something. Adept and clever performers have worked around this in the past as they take into account the weakness and use it as a strength. I've heard of performers state: Magicians might go about this by doing x, but you will experience true mentalism now when I use nothing but my mind to get the same results. They then do x This is one of the most devastating effects I have ever seen or used. Please, think for yourselves, write your own presentation, use it as part of something greater, unlock a gym padlock, unlock a phone, write down nine numbered memories, get them to focus on one. Reveal their memory. The numbers make complete sense and is far removed from mathemagic when using the statement: Let's make this completely random, lets use information that is personal to you. This effect is devastating, get it.
This "has nothing to do with the Magician who doesn't like Rock n Roll!" Corinda
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
You're right, it sounds weird. But I think it isn't worst than looking a word in a book or something like that. Keep in mind you're looking for a random number, so it's not important the actual age or the age of this year (I keep thinking it sounds better in Spanish).
It's one of those things that will sound bad if the performer is not confident with the method. But otherwise spectators won't give it any importance. Anyway I agree it's a problem of the method. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Oct 20, 2014, Machina wrote: No, the numbers do not make complete sense. You can make them make sense, but as it stands, they don't. Most spectators won't spot the anomaly, which is great. But it is there. I just think that potential buyers should be aware of it, that's all. I am not going to debate the point. The anomaly is there, and I have pointed it out. Beyond that it is up to buyers. I still think that this is a very strong effect.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
We just have to face the fact that there's going to be a certain number of spectators, usually the smarter ones, who will always think "maths trick" when you start an effect like this. I doubt there is much that can be done about it.
The problem for me with Utsukushii is the number of calculations the participant has to do in their head in order for the mentalist to reveal the participant's pin. Surely the mentalist should be figuring that stuff out? I think the Peter Turner solution is stronger because, not only are there fewer calculations, but the participant's efforts are focused on figuring out YOUR pin, which I think helps justify the mental gymnastics. Though not without its own issues, I would personally recommend Your Intuition as the more organic solution based on the core method. |
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