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Myke Phillips
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I'm awful at math, but am I correct in thinking it can only be one of two possible outcomes after you arrive at a 4 digit code?

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Lets say, after everything you arrive at the pin code "2468" the pin is either 2468 or 1357, one digit less for the anomaly. So, the first number "guess/reveal" is a 2, if the response is negative then its a 1 and you adjust the rest of the numbers accordingly "1357".

If this is correct then I would not even bother mentioning the part that causes the anomaly because after the first number "guess/reveal" you will be back on track.

I'm probably missing something here so apologies if it doesn't make sense.

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On Oct 17, 2014, DynaMix wrote:
I have been on a blaze purchasing lately but I've steered away from this for the same reasons you and others have outlined. I purchased a piece of my mind which has a similar routine, and to pay $33 for a similar effect, with math magic tendencies, does seem "off" to me.

One of the rare situations where the price I think does more damage to the effect. Just my opinion...


Since when did a Piece of My Mind cost 33$? On another note it was nice to see an negative review that didn't get hate from everyone.
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On Oct 17, 2014, DynaMix wrote:
I have been on a blaze purchasing lately but I've steered away from this for the same reasons you and others have outlined. I purchased a piece of my mind which has a similar routine, and to pay $33 for a similar effect, with math magic tendencies, does seem "off" to me.

One of the rare situations where the price I think does more damage to the effect. Just my opinion...


Since when did a Piece of My Mind cost 33$? On another note it was nice to see an negative review that didn't get hate from everyone.


I think DynaMix was referring to Utsukushii being $33??
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On Oct 21, 2014, Myke Phillips wrote:

Since when did a Piece of My Mind cost 33$? On another note it was nice to see an negative review that didn't get hate from everyone.


I think DynaMix was referring to Utsukushii being $33?? [/quote]

I bl*ody hope so! Otherwise Michael Murray has really diddled me!
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I perform this guilt free. Pretty much everything out there that isn't gaffless or propless has an anomaly. Why should I write it down? Why does a mentalist have cards, why use a book test, put stuff in envelopes? But... We have all gotten over those anomalies. There will always be a certain number of spectators when they see a mind reader who think: this is fake.

Utsukushii is hands down my favorite effect, with many avenues still to be explored by fertile minds.

Who said: "When words are the method".

Get this, play with it, explore it, develop it.
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On Oct 21, 2014, Myke Phillips wrote:
I'm awful at math, but am I correct in thinking it can only be one of two possible outcomes after you arrive at a 4 digit code?

Example:
Lets say, after everything you arrive at the pin code "2468" the pin is either 2468 or 1357, one digit less for the anomaly. So, the first number "guess/reveal" is a 2, if the response is negative then its a 1 and you adjust the rest of the numbers accordingly "1357".

If this is correct then I would not even bother mentioning the part that causes the anomaly because after the first number "guess/reveal" you will be back on track.

I'm probably missing something here so apologies if it doesn't make sense.

Myke
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Myke, I wish it was that simple. No, the anomaly creeps in at a different stage.

Having pointed out the anomaly to prospective buyers, by way of fairness I have to add that I will almost certainly use this because I do like the effect. I would give this a thumbs up with a reservation - but definitely a thumbs up.
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I prefer your intuition for the reasons stated, particularly the fact that the spectator is guessing your pin. However the only ways to get your intuition is either to buy the hard back version of Michael's book (which is a hugely worthwhile purchase) or buy Pete Turners upcoming When in Rome which is another worthwhile purchase. If you have either of those then $33 may be a hard spend. If you have neither then based on your intuition I would say that this is money well spent.

As far as the whole birthday bit there are so many ways around this depending on whether this is stage or walk around. Stage I'd just use the Duninger ploy. Walk around I'd either just do a star sign reveal first, that will give me a good indication of whether they are likely to have had their birthday yet. Failing that I could do a CT/billet p**k and have them think of their favourite birthday present they got this year, if you haven't had your birthday yet just go with what you are hoping to get this year. Then before the reveal "is this something you got .... Or something you are hoping to get?" Boom ... Job done. That's off the top of my head with about 10 seconds thought, I'm sure with a little bit more thought you could come up with better.

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I was referring to utsukushii (as opposed to apomm) price wise...

I'm familiar with both now (finally) and I'll say I prefer iulym pro to everything! Ha!

Utsukushii has too many gymnastics for my taste and PT's intuition isn't surefire right off the bat (he really does use that PF a lot) so both have their weaknesses IMO.

All great options to have in the toolbox though.
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In Michael's book it has my update to your intuition which is 100% and in Pete's upcoming book it has an updated version of the way I perform it which is also sure fire to the point that it forms the basis of my opener (which is a different version again).

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I'm still getting through it, definitely plan to reread a few times and get all of the nuances down. You're thinking always impresses me Mark.
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I love intuition and subliminal based routines. Maybe I'll write a book.
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On Oct 23, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
In Michael's book it has my update to your intuition which is 100% and in Pete's upcoming book it has an updated version of the way I perform it which is also sure fire to the point that it forms the basis of my opener (which is a different version again).

Mark


Hey Mark I carefully reread the version printed in APOMM - unless I am completely off I don't see how it is 100%? I did read your contribution (which definitely helps) - I also think it's awesome you use this as an opener. I'd love to hear more!
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On Oct 23, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
In Michael's book it has my update to your intuition which is 100% and in Pete's upcoming book it has an updated version of the way I perform it which is also sure fire to the point that it forms the basis of my opener (which is a different version again).

Mark


Hey Mark I carefully reread the version printed in APOMM - unless I am completely off I don't see how it is 100%? I did read your contribution (which definitely helps) - I also think it's awesome you use this as an opener. I'd love to hear more!


Yap, me too I am confused. Mark's updated version does increase the rate but not completely 100%.
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I haven't got the hard back version of the book so can't tell how accurately it is described in the book, I didn't write it up and didn't get the chance to view it before it went to press. For Pete's When in Rome I wrote it myself in considerable detail and in both versions it is 100 % There are 2 possible outcomes in both versions with one outcome being a tiny bit cleaner than the other. The version in when in Rome one of the outcomes has them holding a business card with your pin that has been in play since the start.

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If you have the hard back version of a piece of my mind I am more than happy to fill in any gaps in my presentation.

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My guess is that the version in the book is a very very early version of mine. What I suspect has happened is that when Pete first showed this to me I had an idea to push towards the pf. Pete loved the idea and wrote it up. However over the next week or so this developed further into the version I used and showed Michael at camp mental. I think that by the time it went to press we knew it had been typed up and sent to Michael and assumed that the version that was typed up was the full version (it developed from a nice idea into something solid over only a few days). I will send Michael the version that both Pete and I assumed that he had so that he can send it to everyone that has the book.

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On Oct 27, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I will send Michael the version that both Pete and I assumed that he had so that he can send it to everyone that has the book.



Thank you very much, Mark Smile
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I will send Michael the version that both Pete and I assumed that he had so that he can send it to everyone that has the book.

Mark


Great news Smile
Will be getting "When in rome" anyway, and yet it's cool to get this updated version sooner.
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I am going to give Mark's ideas a whirl in one of my upcoming gigs as soon as I feel comfortable. Absolutely brilliant and changes the effect IMO!
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It's an alright effect I guess, but there are much better ways to get information from a spectator. Writing something down, for me, is infinitely easier to justify than the spectator doing mental gymnastics
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