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First of all, let me state how happy I am that a magician is in the finals of AGT, and I wish him all the best. I am also glad to see 3 magic acts in the final 12, which means that they will be on tour.

Having said that, I can't help but wonder if he had received clearance to perform the Jack Bateman routine (from Phil Wilmarth who apparently still owns it) on television. Also, maybe I am just spoiled by people Like Michael Ammar or Gazzo or am suffering from wanting to be fooled but I don't think his handling of the cups and balls was all that great. There were MANY flashes, and clumsy final load steals that a snail could follow. I would be interested in hearing from other people on this topic. Again - not trying to take anything away from Mat, and I wish him all the best of luck, but I just had a few thoughts (which is rare for me haha) so I thought I would post to see what others have to say.
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My only opinion outside the load issue was the patter and movements were too much for TV I think. Trying to follow the story and watch trick seemed to diminish the reveals. It seemed hurried and confusing. The same with the card trick at the end. I asked my girlfriend what she thought and she said it seem like a lot of stuff happening and then something about a card matching. Reminds me of what Vernon always said about how not to do a trick. I know he was trying for a big attention getter, but sorting cards on live TV is boring. He did the best he could with it, but I don't think it had the impact he hoped. Both were too complicated and the story seemed a forced attempt to personalize with the judges. Since we don't know how they are in real life, the story was just a story and really not personal.
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Is there any video of this performance on the net? I just looked and couldn't find any.I would like to see it very much.I do it the way Michael Skinner taught me.Just wanted to see the difference.

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Is there any video of this performance on the net? I just looked and couldn't find any.I would like to see it very much.I do it the way Michael Skinner taught me.Just wanted to see the difference.

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Here's what I found Don...

http://www.rickey.org/mat-franco-perform....../268577/
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Solimar,
That's his "out of this world". I saw that on youtube.I'm looking for Rub-A-Dub-Dub that this thread is talking about.But thanks for your help.

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Thanks Marvello....interesting twist on the patter.

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After viewing his routine a few times I think that his routine is closely based on Bill Malone's version. Congrats to Mat for a job well done.

Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:54 pm The incredible Bill Malone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TXutYUkWzU
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I do the first part well...I really need to add the golf balls and patter.I have been wanting to do that for years and have Bills DVD on the subject....just too old and lazy.Time to get to work...

Thanks again Marvello.

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I thought I would post to see what others have to say.


Matt Franco won America' Got Talent.

Here's what I have to say:
Magicians have been talking about his magic or the other's magic and if it was simplistic or not done well. Some say or think "I can do that." I think there are some points to be made here. The magicians performed many tricks we know and sometime their performance were not very good. But they had a lot of guts and big "you know whats" to try such things in right in front of 4 judges, a very large live audience and a very large TV audience all at the same time. That is quite a challenge in presentation alone, let alone handling the "nerves." The routine that Smoothdini did with Howie Mandel's ring and Nick Cannon's shoe lace came off amazing. When I first saw it I was like "what?" On the second viewing I had everything worked out and I do not know very much about magic. But what guts to do that so close. He had to pull off at least three moves and if he messed any of them up it would have been a total disaster. With the nerves going, those moves had to be 10 times harder and the patter has to be perfect at the same time. Also, AGT is a competition which is much different then when people go to a show to see an established magician. I know with my tricks, I go to the ones I have down, ones that I can perform almost without thinking, the major magic acts are all regularly rehearsed and they are done over and over. When competing on AGT you are probably getting a limited amount of time to set-up and practice, you may only get 2 or 3 run throughs and while you are trying to remember your next move and patter you have to make sure you hit your spots and look at the correct camera. So it takes a super performer to pull all this off in my opinion.

Here is an even bigger point IMO. The acts he beat out were amazing, the boy and the lady and the acrobats (I think the boy should have won). So how did he beat out these acts? I comes down to the audience voting for him. I cannot imagine and specific demographic voting for him. For instance the good looking male singer, I would think young girls all the way up to moms and even grand moms would vote for him (he came in 6th by the way). But who was voting for the magician? The answer probably is everyone. So magicians can analyze and critique, but it came down to he entertained them the most and that is what magic is in the simplest form, entertainment. IMO Magicians get too caught up in the details, is it Joe's "this" or Bill's "that." It doesn't mater. America loved it and I can't see it being anything but good for magic. Pretty exciting times with this and all the other magic on TV. I love it.
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Well said Martini magic I agree !
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Martini you hit it on the nose. he loves magic and what he is doing and it shows. for that the audience loved him and enjoys his performance. have fun and everyone else will have fun with you.
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Guess we better go back and look at those tapes. If he can win AGT over a singer - that's amazing. Magicians never win these things. Something he did resonated with America. Magicians should be looking at what that is. Well done. Mat.
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I think that the glut of singers split the votes amongst those who prefer singer acts - 4 musical acts vs. 2 variety acts. I agree with what Martini said all the way, and have always heard the joke "how many magicians does it take to do a trick" answer - all of them - one to do it and the rest to comment on how they could have done it better. I Am happy that Mat won, however I still can't help but wonder my original question - if he got clearance from Mr. Willmarth to perform that routine - that's all. I think it is interesting to note that Mr. Willmarth unfortunately passed away the same evening that Mat Franco performed that routine on AGT - RIP.
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Guess we better go back and look at those tapes. If he can win AGT over a singer - that's amazing. Magicians never win these things. Something he did resonated with America. Magicians should be looking at what that is. Well done. Mat.

This is amazing. I watched the entire season and out of all the magicians, I noticed Matt the least until he did the trick with Mel B's phone in the audience's seat. That got my attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JdlabjN3p8 The "Out of the World with the human deck was cool too. When he was doing that I was thinking that is one of the card tricks I learned and forgotten (unfortunately, there are a lot of those :-( ) For sure he was very likeable and that helps to get votes. Anyway you look at it is Great!
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have always heard the joke "how many magicians does it take to do a trick" answer - all of them - one to do it and the rest to comment on how they could have done it better.

A magician once told me a joke and it totally went over my head (not too hard to do that). The joke was "when does a good magician become a bad magician?" The answer, "when he leaves the room." I thought it was a bad joke and asked him to explain. It was not a bad joke but more of a statement about magicians. His explanation was that when the magician "leaves the room" all the other magicians talk bad about him.
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Everybody is going to hate me for this comment.

AGT is rigged to the hilt.Its as phoney as it gets and is scripted. The cell phone effect Matt did was a total set up with the judges and the producer of the show.Matt was picked to win from his first time on AGT.Why nobody can see though this is beyond me....it's so obvious.

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Everybody is going to hate me for this comment.

AGT is rigged to the hilt.Its as phoney as it gets and is scripted. The cell phone effect Matt did was a total set up with the judges and the producer of the show.Matt was picked to win from his first time on AGT.Why nobody can see though this is beyond me....it's so obvious.

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agreed, but as far as the cell phone trick, I can see how that could be done easily - not going in to it here but it isn't too hard to figure out how. Emily West was certainly a ringer, having had a contract with Capitol Records, and having appeared on Celebrity Apprentice, etc. It's more fun to pretend that we all have a vote in this, and act like sheep, just like we do with politics. Smile
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Marvelleo said:"agreed, but as far as the cell phone trick, I can see how that could be done easily - not going in to it here but it isn't too hard to figure out how."

What kind of person would or could plant a cell phone in a seat at Radio City Music Hall.Than take a knife and cut the seat open? Give me a break...all rigged before hand.
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C'mon Don,
Of course it was rigged. And Mel B was a stooge. So? If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?
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What kind of person would or could plant a cell phone in a seat at Radio City Music Hall.Than take a knife and cut the seat open? Give me a break...all rigged before hand.

this should probably be in secret sessions and not here, but take another look at the performance video - especially the cutting open of the chair part - is it just me or did his whole sleeved arm disappear into that chair?

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C'mon Don,
Of course it was rigged. And Mel B was a stooge. So? If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?

yes.

I am lucky enough to remember seeing REAL magicians perform REAL acts in front of TV audiences, with no stoogery or camera tricks.

ahh those were the days.
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