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On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
C'mon Don,
Of course it was rigged. And Mel B was a stooge. So? If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?

Than you must be a Chris Angel fan as well.

Don
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On Sep 19, 2014, Marvello wrote:
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On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?

yes.

I am lucky enough to remember seeing REAL magicians perform REAL acts in front of TV audiences, with no stoogery or camera tricks.

ahh those were the days.


And Vernon fooled Houdini not once, not twice, but three times with a gaff. Did that make him less of a pure magician?

I was in Las Vegas two weeks ago watching Mac King. Mac enlisted the help of an audience member to help him pull off his final effect. Holy cow, he used a stooge. Is Mac King any less of a pure magician?

Seems to me that I'm sensing some sour grapes here....that Mat Franco isn't a "real" magician, 'cause he had the audacity to use a stooge. Guess what: Mat's got the $1MM and headline nights in Vegas. Instead of complaining of how he's not a pure magician, we ought to be celebrating his win, and figuring out how we can leverage it to improve our own careers.
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On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
C'mon Don,
Of course it was rigged. And Mel B was a stooge. So? If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?

Yes that is a bad thing. If you don't see that, perhaps magic should not be your thing. It used to be about fooling people, not using set-ups and camera tricks.

A blatant use of a stooge reduces this from magic to a playlet.
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On Sep 19, 2014, Steve Friedberg wrote:
C'mon Don,
Of course it was rigged. And Mel B was a stooge. So? If 50 people (i.e., the production crew and the judges) knew it in advance, and it amazed/fooled millions, is that a bad thing?

Yes that is a bad thing. If you don't see that, perhaps magic should not be your thing. It used to be about fooling people, not using set-ups and camera tricks.

A blatant use of a stooge reduces this from magic to a playlet.

Ditto
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Mr friedberg: a gaff is not a stooge, and an "instant stooge" is different than a stooge or crew of stooges on the payroll
Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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What some people here aren't getting is there is NO CONTEST on AGT.The judges are putting on an act,the call in votes mean nothing.The producers decide who is going to move on and who will win before the first show of the season.The fill in acts have no idea of any of this but they do get their air fair and rooms and meals paid for and get to be on national TV.Not a bad deal for a paid few days.So nobody wins a million dollars or gets a show in Vegas since its all rigged.If everything was on the up and up than nobody would have to sign AGT's non disclosure clause.I'm sure winner's get paid something that makes it well worth their while and that I'm ok with.I dislike the fact that AGT expects me to believe its all on the up and up.Its an insult to my intelligence.For this reason I stopped watching the show years ago.But some people will believe anything you tell them.

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Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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Even after reading this some people will think she is mad because she lost and is lying to get even.
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I don't think he would have much of an act without stooges.
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On Sep 22, 2014, DonDriver wrote:
What some people here aren't getting is there is NO CONTEST on AGT.The judges are putting on an act,the call in votes mean nothing.The producers decide who is going to move on and who will win before the first show of the season.The fill in acts have no idea of any of this but they do get their air fair and rooms and meals paid for and get to be on national TV.Not a bad deal for a paid few days.So nobody wins a million dollars or gets a show in Vegas since its all rigged.If everything was on the up and up than nobody would have to sign AGT's non disclosure clause.I'm sure winner's get paid something that makes it well worth their while and that I'm ok with.I dislike the fact that AGT expects me to believe its all on the up and up.Its an insult to my intelligence.For this reason I stopped watching the show years ago.But some people will believe anything you tell them.

Don


You are spot on, Don.
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Mat did a very good job with the cups. An yes I agree the show is about as real as TV wrestling.

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I never watch as Don has hit the nail in the head. The things they do to achieve a TV show are pretty manipulative. They actually flew people out just to film them being told they did not make the cut.

From the first year I have turned them down multiple times a year. Now people still run to be on. So few have benefited from the experience. They are out to make what they consider a good TV show and everything is geared to that end.

The strange thing is knowing this people flock to be considered! Even professionals. It reminds me of the people involved in abusive relationships that will be the ones who "change them."

So many in Branson thought being on TV would spur ticket sales. Hardly. People have way too short an attention span for those who lose.

Heck even some of the "finalists" from American Idol (A term used to describe the top 10. I hate when they change word meanings.) are singing servers at a diner! No kidding. And the longer these shows continue the more meaningless having been on actually is. The sad part is people then thimk the phone will ring off the hook with high priced offers and it invariably does not.

It may be good TV, I have no clue as I have never watched. But it is not a good way to treat people.
Danny Doyle
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