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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts 
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"Your mission, Jim/Osama/ or whatever your name is, if you decide to accept it, is to recruit mercenaries, give them causes, arm, fund and train them, to destabilize or destroy sovereign countries etcetera, or whatever fits the bill. As always, should you or any of your I.M. Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions."
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, RNK wrote: This was exactly my point. Is is NOT our job. We should not be interfering in the affairs of other nations, especially when we have our own problems. Let's end the oppression of those people who are suffering from poverty et.al. in this country. That's assuming that our motives are completely altruistic, which they are decidedly not. Without getting into a religious debate, the beliefs of most of the people we're speaking of are directly opposed to what democracy stands for. The oppression of women, the persecution of gays, massive censorship and on and on and on. The point is you can't force people to be free, and we have no right to try to do so, again given pure motives. If these people want to be free then they must fight for their freedom. Will many of them die trying? Absolutely, but they're dying anyway, their fate in the hands of everyone but themselves. From the very beginning our involvement has been a disaster, on every level. They are no more free now then when we first got involved. In my opinion if we withdrew our presence, our weapons, our troops, and our money, the entire region would collapse due to infighting among the various factions and sects. We could then use those wasted resources on our own problems. The terrorists say it's because of our interference that they hate us and want us dead. Fine, let's stop interfering and mind our own business. Will they settle their differences and become a global threat? Perhaps, but considering that most of these societies have existed for far longer that the USA and still can't consistently provide the basic neccesities of life, leads me to believe they won't. More likely they'll destroy themselves. Instead we're sending more people into Iraq and the insanity is escalating. Again. More lives and more resources, wasted for more stupidity and greed. And let's face it, it's the money pouring into the pockets of those who make and supply the weapons, that's the true motivation for all this.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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I have no idea what is or is not going on. I know war is a bad option. Always. Maybe the best option at times, but always a bad one.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Bad analogy. So far, the foreign nationals in ISIL are not from countries that are at war with them. Undoubtedly some of the locals are in a position of civil war, but not the ones we're talking about.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I think it's your analogy that's the bad one. Lunatik's follow-up point about sympathizers we have in our own country and attacks on our own soil from within don't suggest Americans joining Canadians to fight against the North Vietnamese or Nazis.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: I was referring to the original question of foreign nationals joining ISIL to fight. Domestic spies/terrorists is another issue. But Canadians joining Americans to fight North Vietnamese is not particularly different from Canadians joining ISIS to fight Syrians. (For the record I don't believe either deployment was justified, nor do I find it morally justifiable to join either of the invading armies.)
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18028 Posts
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Twister ... They hate us and want us dead because we are INFIDELS....NOT because we are interfering with them, although we truly are!!!!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, Slim King wrote: So let's stop pretending, leave them to kill each other so the world can see the nonsensical reasons why they are fighting , and deal with what remains. Which probably won't be much. NO troops, NO weapons and NO aid of any kind.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, RNK wrote: Please look up the definitions of oxymoron, impose, and democracy.
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On Sep 18, 2014, RNK wrote: How would you feel about military going door to door and searching for weapons?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, Slim King wrote: I can tell you this. To do nothing definitely won't. However that is not the reason for us wanting them out. It is the way they practice their religion using it as an excuse. People should be able to practice their religion as they wish...until it involves killing hundreds of thousands to do so. Also practicing their religion should not include beheadings on youtube. Anyway I do not think it should.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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RNK Inner circle 7527 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, landmark wrote: Look up humor.....
Check out Bafflingbob.com
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, landmark wrote: I am glad I did because I thought you were calling me a fat dum dum.
Danny Doyle
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Democracy was imposed on the United States, once upon a time.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Democracy has many meanings.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21263 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Technically landmark does not seem to agree with democracy so it is kind of imposed on him isn't it? There are people in this country today who feel it is imposed on them as well.
Danny Doyle
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Sep 18, 2014, tommy wrote: Nope, just one. Noun, plural democracies. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Sep 19, 2014, NYCTwister wrote: You've got to get a better dictionary. 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. 2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies. 3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges. 4. political or social equality; democratic spirit. 5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Sep 19, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: And the difference is.............?
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On Sep 18, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta stop that one. Democracy is the first principle for me. Govt decision of the people, by the people, for the people. And I defy you to show me one word I've ever posted here that contradicts that.
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