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Wow. Naïve. American troops WERE EXPOSED to chemical weapons AFTER 2003 the article states. Unreal- still in denial.
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So I guess Bush and the rest of the administration that had banked their credibility on finding weapons, was really secretly in collusion with Saddam then in keeping them secret.

Doesn't pass the laugh test.
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On Oct 15, 2014, landmark wrote:
So I guess Bush and the rest of the administration that had banked their credibility on finding weapons, was really secretly in collusion with Saddam then in keeping them secret.

Doesn't pass the laugh test.


I understand- tough for you to swallow.
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I just came to say FoxNews.
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On Oct 15, 2014, landmark wrote:
So I guess Bush and the rest of the administration that had banked their credibility on finding weapons, was really secretly in collusion with Saddam then in keeping them secret.

Doesn't pass the laugh test.



I understand- tough for you to swallow.

Care to address the point I just raised?
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Well, they have just given the operation a name. "INHERENT RESOLVE". I was holding out for "This time for sure!"
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On Oct 16, 2014, Salguod Nairb wrote:
Well, they have just given the operation a name. "INHERENT RESOLVE". I was holding out for "This time for sure!"


I was betting for "AND THIS TIME WE MEAN IT". (Sort of the way people take the I will not drink pledge the day of the hangover and such?

How about "Take our "democracy" whether you like it or not!"?

Good idea sir we need to at least name the operations honestly.

Operation "money pit in the sand" might work.
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On Sep 28, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
And a long time ago I asked you for any PROOF of WMDs found in Irag.

There is none, the statement of an anonymous veteran notwithstanding. (Funny that he never said anything about that to the press, or they would have been all over it, as would the Bush administration.)

There were no WMDs found in Iraq. Even Bush himself finally admitted that.


WMD's, Chemical weapons found in Iraq- please read: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/......ews&_r=0


As I stated previously- a Veteran of the war told me there were WMD they found in Iraq. As stated in the above article, "American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act"


Last I heard, what they found was old useless stuff. Bush claimed there were brand new WMD and facilities for creating WMD. Were any facilities found? Was any up-to-date materials or facilities found?
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No, there were not. The Bush administration falsely alleged that Saddam had active nuclear weapons and WMD programs. What is being passed off now as proof that there were WMDs, is simply the discovery of discarded materials that the US had GIVEN to Saddam over a decade earlier and which were not properly disposed of.

Again, NO evidence of an active WMD program was found, nor were any functioning WMDs "stockpiled" and/or discovered.
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Well we should agree that being wrong and telling lies are two different things.

Now also we need to agree that what was found was NOT what the Bush administration was speaking of when they made the mistake. To point to it now and say that it was somehow what they thought was there is sort of disingenuous.
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Sort of? THAT'S an understatement!
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Yea it would seem so.
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Twister ... They hate us and want us dead because we are INFIDELS....NOT because we are interfering with them, although we truly are!!!!


So let's stop pretending, leave them to kill each other so the world can see the nonsensical reasons why they are fighting , and deal with what remains. Which probably won't be much.

NO troops, NO weapons and NO aid of any kind.


I believe that as a World Leader the U.S. has a moral responsibility to do something in this situation. Isis is openly committing genocide. They are killing men and taking women as slaves by the hundred if not thousands. What is the answer? I really have no answer. However I definitely feel the answer is not to stand by and watch this take place and see what happens.

I as most Americans hate to see us get involved in these issues. But as we all know great power comes with great responsibility. If you are in the street and see a man beating a child or an invalid do you stand by and watch and say it is no concern of mine just because you do not know the child, the invalid or the attacker? While it may be a poor analogy it gets the point across. What do we do besides stand by and watch. That cannot be the answer. I really don't think we should just stand by and sell tickets to this spectacle of mans inhumanity to man.
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I agree with you, aces.
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Why is this different from Saddam Hussein or any of a hundred dictator regimes? Why do we intervene here and it is a moral obligation and before it was an unjust illegal war?
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Are you saying there's no "imminent threat" to the U.S. From ISIS? Somehow I don't see many of the Bush haters lining up in the street to chant "Hagel lied; people died."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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I am only trying to see the difference. I don't even care I if the first time was right or wrong. Just want to hear the difference. Suddenly it is enough just to be a brutal regime. What a difference an election makes.
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Are you saying there's no "imminent threat" to the U.S. From ISIS? Somehow I don't see many of the Bush haters lining up in the street to chant "Hagel lied; people died."


If you're trying to make an analogy between Saddam Hussein's regime and ISIS, I don't think it's a very good one.

They are very different.

To the best of my knowledge, I'm not aware of any leftist who doesn't think that ISIS poses a significant threat to the people of the Mid-east and perhaps beyond.

The leftist critique (and some of the rightist critique) of the present policy is this:

a) The rise of ISIS is dangerous to world peace and is directly attributable to US meddling in the region, beginning specifically with the 2003 Iraq War; and
b) Nothing the US can do militarily will make the situation better and is pretty much guaranteed to make it even worse.

The best bet--and not necessarily the winning solution--is for the US to pressure the other regional powers to stop supplying arms to all sides and also to strengthen Iran from a diplomatic point of view. The suggestions of Phyllis Bennis, a well known leftist writer on Mid-Eastern issues include this: "A real coalition is needed not for military strikes but for powerful diplomacy. That means pressuring U.S. ally Saudi Arabia to stop arming and financing ISIS and other extremist fighters; pressuring U.S. ally Turkey to stop allowing ISIS and other fighters to cross into Syria over the Turkish border; pressuring U.S. allies Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and others to stop financing and arming everyone and anyone in Syria who says they're against Assad." - See more at: http://www.progressive.org/news/2014/09/......eat-isis
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The comparison is that, if you don't believe that ISIS poses an imminent threat to the U.S., then we're taking military action based on false representations.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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