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Absolutely. It's the same pattern we've seen with Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban. Bomb civilians whether you mean to or not and you're guaranteed to create more terrorists. Gasoline on a fire.


That's agreeing with the conclusion, not the story. The story, for instance, includes things like the sources and their actual knowledge of the numbers, demographics of the recruits, etc.
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Hint: The story's own numbers are internally inconsistent, casting IMO serious doubt about the reliability of the sources.
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His plan is to pass an international (World Law) law to ban guns, just like many want to do here in The U.S. Then all the terrorists and bad guys will turn in their weapons and it will nice and everybody lived happily ever after. Smile
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The IRS and other non-military agencies bought 2 billion rounds of ammo... Let's send them over.. They outnumber ISIS 100 to 1 AND they could shoot each bad guy over 10,000 times each!!!!!

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I posted an article about two weeks ago Six Ways to deal with ISIS by Phyllis Bennis.

But I am intrigued by the argument which says let's do the thing guaranteed to get the results that are the exact opposite of what we want, because we can't think of anything better.
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Hey Slim- Bet you didn't read this OTHER article on the Breitbart site that exposes the myths behind the ammunition purchases:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/......ile-Myth

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With the recent release of a letter from the Department of Homeland Security to Senator Coburn, the numbers we calculated independently seem to corroborate the narrative coming from DHS. The concerns surrounding DHS stockpiling ammunition are nothing but more fear-mongering and largely unwarranted. For once, here are the facts to set the record straight:...


So even your own source doesn't agree with you and states this is just groundless fear mongering. This should be about the point where cognitive dissonance sets in for you.
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It does bode well for the credibility of the site though.
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It does bode well for the credibility of the site though.
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Hint: The story's own numbers are internally inconsistent, casting IMO serious doubt about the reliability of the sources.

How so?

"recruited more than 6,000 new fighters"

"20 new recruits a day in the town of north-west Syrian town al-Bab alone"

"There are "hundreds" of other towns in Syria seeing a similar level of arrival"

Seems consistent, by which I mean not internally contradictory (i.e. 100s times 20 times 30 is well over 6,000). Although I suspect the last of the lines I quoted is not be meant to be taken completely literally anyway (he probably means hundreds in the way I do, when I exaggerate and say I have seen hundreds of magicians perform a cups and balls routine). Also, when he says similar level of arrival he could mean a similar increase in recruitment measured as a percentage. Translation may be an issue here.
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I posted an article about two weeks ago Six Ways to deal with ISIS by Phyllis Bennis.

But I am intrigued by the argument which says let's do the thing guaranteed to get the results that are the exact opposite of what we want, because we can't think of anything better.



I never put any such argument forth. I am asking you how to deal with the problem, or is it just as usual the only problem is the United States military?
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The problem is that, indeed, the actual number would be well over 6,000 at those rates. If "hundreds" is taken conservatively to mean, say, 200-300, then there would be 28,000 to 42,000 in a week, not 6,000 since some time last month.

The 6,000 figure, btw, comes from the "Syrian Organization for Numan Rights," which appears to be one guy on another continent who hates the Syrian government. The publication apparently ran his press release and if there was any vetting of the figure, it doesn't show up in the article. It's just put out as gospel to be cited as fact by anyone who wants to believe its conclusion. There's also no attempt at contextualization by reference to what the recruitment numbers were like before the bombing. Not really an example of journalism at its finest; just a handy citation to have for for the choir.

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"Syrian Observatory for Human Rights
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) is an information office opposed to the Government of Syria. There was conflict between Rami Abdulrahman,[1] a Syrian expatriate, and Mousab Azzawi about who rightfully ran the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.[2][3] Abdulrahman's UK based SOHR has been cited by virtually every western news outlet since the beginning of the uprising.[1][3]

The United Kingdom-based SOHR is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry by one person, Rami Abdulrahman,[4] a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop. After three spells in prison in Syria, Abdulrahman came to Britain in 2000 fearing a longer, fourth jail term.[1]

In a December 2011 interview with Reuters, Abdulrahman said the observatory has a network of 200 people and that six of his sources had been killed. Abdulrahman reports on events in the Syrian uprising, including the deaths of civilians, rebels and army defectors (which he calls "martyrs")[5] and government soldiers.[6] SOHR's methodology for counting civilian victims has been questioned,[7] as the organisation includes opposition combatants among the number of civilian casualties, as long as these are not former members of the military.[8]

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The website Syriahr.org claimed that Rami Abdulrahman was in fact called Osama Ali Suleiman and he merely used the name Rami Abdulrahman, a pen-name that the website claimed to have been initially used by all "SOHR members".[9] Syriahr.org claimed that Abdulrahman was able to wrest control of the SOHR website Syriahr.net in August 2011 by changing all the passwords and that he proceeded to make himself the chairman of the SOHR, upon which an organisation claiming to be the 'real' SOHR created the rival website Syriahr.org.[9] This new website Syriahr.org then proceeded to attack Abdulrahman, claiming he only had a "very modest level of education", thus not able to "communicate professionally in English," and condemning his "lack of professionalism" and even alleging that he is a member of the Kurdistan Workers' Party.[2][9][10]

Abdulrahman, meanwhile, says the new site Syriahr.org is run by Mousab Azzawi, who used to translate for the SOHR[3] but was fired after falsely claiming to be an official spokesman for the organisation and calling for foreign intervention in Syria.[2] The SOHR which was run by Mousab Azzawi had stated that they consider reporting on the deaths of government soldiers to be "not in their interest".[2][3] Since the early conflict, it appears that Azzawi's Syriahr.org is inactive and has adopted the name Syrian Network for Human Rights with a website Syrianhr.org whereas Abdulrahman's group continue to use the sites Syriahr.net (Arabic version) or Syriahr.com/en (English version).

Criticism

SOHR has been accused of selective reporting, covering only violent acts of the government forces against the opposition for the first two years of its existence. Although critics concede that its reports haves become less partisan than during its time under Abdulrahman, critics interviewed by AsiaNews charge that as of 2013 SOHR "continues to defend Islamic extremists to avoid losing support among rebel forces".[11]"



So, seriously, even if you want to take the position that "hundreds" doesn't mean hundreds, do you really also want to take the position that this is reliable, unbiased journalism, and we should all take it on faith that the clothier in Coventry has the accurate numbers?
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On Sep 22, 2014, landmark wrote:
I posted an article about two weeks ago Six Ways to deal with ISIS by Phyllis Bennis.

But I am intrigued by the argument which says let's do the thing guaranteed to get the results that are the exact opposite of what we want, because we can't think of anything better.



I never put any such argument forth. I am asking you how to deal with the problem, or is it just as usual the only problem is the United States military?



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I posted an article about two weeks ago Six Ways to deal with ISIS by Phyllis Bennis.
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The choir, really? Turn on the television or radio any time of the day or the night and the choir is singing Bomb, bomb, bomb, / Bomb, bomb (Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, enter your country of the week).

Whether that particular article is accurate remains to be seen; it doesn't change the fact that bombing has been a completely failed strategy in guerilla wars throughout history, in particular with reference to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
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I am not interested in what someone ELSE puts forth, what is YOUR solution?
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The choir, really? Turn on the television or radio any time of the day or the night and the choir is singing Bomb, bomb, bomb, / Bomb, bomb (Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, enter your country of the week).

That's exactly why members of the vehemently anti-war choir cite not to the American mainstream media, but to sources that are willing to cite to single individuals in the clothing business who reside nowhere near the Middle East, but have an entity name that sounds disingenuously credible.

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Whether that particular article is accurate remains to be seen;

I was only ever asking you about the article; I *knew* what you thought of its point.
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Retreating back to the illusionary safety of a land surrounded by two oceans certainly isn't the answer to ISIS. You can't just ignore the threat that ISIS poses and hope it just goes away or will never harm the US. They have already beheaded several of our citizens before any of these airstrikes on Syria commenced. We learned on 9/11 that a nation surrounded by two oceans is nothing but an illusion of safety. You have to take the fight back to the enemy.
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I am not interested in what someone ELSE puts forth, what is YOUR solution?

I agree with the article Danny.
What is your solution?
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Retreating back to the illusionary safety of a land surrounded by two oceans certainly isn't the answer to ISIS. You can't just ignore the threat that ISIS poses and hope it just goes away or will never harm the US. They have already beheaded several of our citizens before any of these airstrikes on Syria commenced. We learned on 9/11 that a nation surrounded by two oceans is nothing but an illusion of safety. You have to take the fight back to the enemy.

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