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So ISIS is beheading the Shia, Christians and Jewish folks in IRAQ, basically OUR FAULT for leaving them at risk... So our government is bombing SYRIA...
I think we've been lied to again. Smile
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I am not such a fan of bombing. For that matter not a fan of involvement at all.
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The leader of ISIS has ordered the killing of all Canadians whether military or civilian.
This is evil.
I am Canadian as are my daughters. This group wants to murder us because we are not muslims.
They must be neutralized by the global community at all cost.
If the world must go to war to stop it then so be it.
My desire is world peace. But to get it, we must destroy those bent on war.
A paradox difficult for the pacifist to comprehend, but thank goodness pacifists weren't at the helm in 1939.
Unfortunately, War is 100% necessary to achieve peace, whether against a bully in the school yard, or an organization bent on world domination.
Period.
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The Grand Chessboard by the geostrategist Zbigniew Brzezinski, the first thing it says is:

"For my students—to help them shape tomorrow's world"

"EVER SINCE THE CONTINENTS started interacting politically,
some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of
world power. In different ways, at different times, the peoples
Inhabiting Eurasia—though mostly those from its Western European
periphery—penetrated and dominated the world's other
regions as individual Eurasian states attained the special status
and enjoyed the privileges of being the world's premier powers.
The last decade of the twentieth century has witnessed a tectonic
shift in world affairs. For the first time ever, a non-Eurasian
power has emerged not only as the key arbiter of Eurasian power
relations but also as the world's paramount power. The defeat and
collapse of the Soviet Union was the final step in the rapid ascendance
of a Western Hemisphere power, the United States, as the
sole and, indeed, the first truly global power.
Eurasia, however, retains Its geopolitical importance. Not only
is its western periphery—Europe—still the location of much of the
world's political and economic power, but its eastern region—
Asia—has lately become a vital center of economic growth and rising
political influence. Hence, the issue of how a globally engaged
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xiv INTRODUCTION
America copes with the complex Eurasian power relationships—
and particularly whether it prevents the emergence of a dominant
and antagonistic Eurasian power—remains central to America's
capacity to exercise global primacy.
It follows that—in addition to cultivating the various novel dimensions
of power (technology, communications, information, as
well as trade and finance)—American foreign policy must remain
concerned with the geopolitical dimension and must employ its influence
in Eurasia in a manner that creates a stable continental
equilibrium, with the United States as the political arbiter.
Eurasia is thus the chessboard on which the struggle for global
primacy continues to be played, and that struggle involves
geostrategy—the strategic management of geopolitical interests. It
is noteworthy that as recently as 1940 two aspirants to global
power, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, agreed explicitly (in the secret
negotiations of November of that year) that America should
be excluded from Eurasia. Each realized that the injection of American
power into Eurasia would preclude his ambitions regarding
global domination. Each shared the assumption that Eurasia is the
center of the world and that he who controls Eurasia controls the
world. A half century later, the issue has been redefined: will America's
primacy in Eurasia endure, and to what ends might it be applied?
The ultimate objective of American policy should be benign
and visionary: to shape a truly cooperative global community, in
keeping with long-range trends and with the fundamental interests
of humankind. But in the meantime, it is imperative that no
Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and
thus also of challenging America. The formulation of a comprehensive
and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of
this book."

Zbigniew Brzezinski
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Magicfish ... Are there Canadians in Iraq? Are those the ones ...Or is it ANY Canadian. Very bad! I'm beginning to wonder exactly how big this group really is. Is it all just about money? And aren't these guys just the same terrorists we've been fighting under a dozen different names? So many questions. And the biggest problem I have is that we generally kill many more innocent civilians than bad guys. Makes me sick. But bottom line. It's not constitutional to attack a country we aren't at war with. And after the NO WMD fiasco ... I don't trust our intel at all!
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Slim, Canada has been in iraq and we fought valiantly in afghanistan.
But he was referring to all Canadians everywhere- men, women and children, to be killed.
I'm not too worried.
The Supreme Leader of Iran doesn't like it when a Sunni madman asserts himself.
I think the Ayatollah will make a move here
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Funny how even in the midst of a mass, serial murderer calling for the grand scale slaughter of women and children, there are still pathetic morons who blame the U.S.
Its beyond disgusting.
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I have Bible thumping friends. They say Iran and Turkey will get together on this and go after Saudi Arabia. Possibly nuke them. The scenario is headed in that direction I must admit. I'm not hip on Sharia Law. It's the original War on Women.
No leader of any of the other major religions personally killed those of other faiths .... correct me if I'm wrong... with the exception of Mohammed. I'm all for freedom of religion or freedom of lack of religion... But not if they advocate beheading those who don't agree.
Operation Northwoods.....
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My brother's sister's cousin never said anything about Sharia Law.
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On Sep 23, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am not such a fan of bombing. For that matter not a fan of involvement at all.

I'll refrain from calling you an unpatriotic military hater, 'cuz I got class.
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On Sep 23, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am not such a fan of bombing. For that matter not a fan of involvement at all.

I'll refrain from calling you an unpatriotic military hater, 'cuz I got class.



I know what ya mean. I know this is a joke. But nuttin patriotic about killing people who are minding their own business.
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On Sep 22, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:
The problem is that, indeed, the actual number would be well over 6,000 at those rates. If "hundreds" is taken conservatively to mean, say, 200-300, then there would be 28,000 to 42,000 in a week, not 6,000 since some time last month.

The 6,000 figure, btw, comes from the "Syrian Organization for Numan Rights," which appears to be one guy on another continent who hates the Syrian government.

So you have problems with the number and style of reporting, I get that, but as I mentioned earlier it seems the numbers were not actually necessarily inconsistent. Which is the point I was curious about.

I really do not know anything much about the SOHR. I've no agenda or motive to either defend it or attack it.

But I would point out that in this day and age small operations can be very effective. Just because it is small, does not mean it cannot be doing excellent work.

www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/middlee......ria.html

"Mr. Abdul Rahman has been faulted for not opening his list up for public access online, but the world of nongovernmental organizations gives him mostly high marks. "Generally, the information on the killings of civilians is very good, definitely one of the best, including the details on the conditions in which people were supposedly killed," said Neil Sammonds, a Mideast researcher for Amnesty International."

You might also take a look at this. Some evidence it cites suggests at least some of the criticisms against SOHR may not be all they appear to be:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31934.htm

"the row between the two rival groups laying claim over SOHR seems to reflect a wider political feud brewing between the two main Syrian opposition camps: the Syrian National Council (SNC) and the National Coordination Body for Democratic Change in Syria (NCB), both increasingly at odds with each other over the call for foreign intervention. The moving force behind the rival group (www.syriahr.org) who issued a letter attacking Abdulrahman’s group (www.syriahr.com) is a London-based Syrian exile and medical doctor named Mousab Azzawi. The smear campaign launched by Azzawi seemed to have undertones of classism."

"While disputing the personal identity and political connections of Abdulrahman, Azzawi himself seems to have offered misleading information about his credentials."

"The row between Azzawi and Abdulrahman is not restricted to a question of personal identity and reputation, but also the role each played in the Observatory ... Azzawi claimed on the phone that the syriahr.com domain had been idle until August when Abdulrahman hijacked the website by taking sole control ... But an examination of the Internet Archive's WayBack Machine – which preserves old versions of websites – casts doubt on this claim ..."
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That's exactly why members of the vehemently anti-war choir cite not to the American mainstream media, but to sources that are willing to cite to single individuals in the clothing business who reside nowhere near the Middle East, but have an entity name that sounds disingenuously credible.


I think you did some good work researching SOHR; but I do want to point out that the source I quoted (Ha-aretz) who quoted SOHR was about as mainstream as can be given the subject. It certainly makes sense to look at Israeli mainstream newspapers--which Ha-aretz most certainly is--to find out the latest about ISIS. In fact, The NY Times also quoted SOHR in one of its stories. So mainstream publications are just as (and often more so) prone to using questionable but disingenuously credibly named sources ("White House sources say..." and so on).
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On Sep 23, 2014, balducci wrote:
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On Sep 22, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:
The problem is that, indeed, the actual number would be well over 6,000 at those rates. If "hundreds" is taken conservatively to mean, say, 200-300, then there would be 28,000 to 42,000 in a week, not 6,000 since some time last month.

The 6,000 figure, btw, comes from the "Syrian Organization for Numan Rights," which appears to be one guy on another continent who hates the Syrian government.

So you have problems with the number and style of reporting, I get that, but as I mentioned earlier it seems the numbers were not actually necessarily inconsistent. Which is the point I was curious about.

I really do not know anything much about the SOHR. I've no agenda or motive to either defend it or attack it.

But I would point out that in this day and age small operations can be very effective. Just because it is small, does not mean it cannot be doing excellent work.

www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/world/middlee......ria.html

"Mr. Abdul Rahman has been faulted for not opening his list up for public access online, but the world of nongovernmental organizations gives him mostly high marks. "Generally, the information on the killings of civilians is very good, definitely one of the best, including the details on the conditions in which people were supposedly killed," said Neil Sammonds, a Mideast researcher for Amnesty International."

You might also take a look at this. Some evidence it cites suggests at least some of the criticisms against SOHR may not be all they appear to be:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31934.htm

"the row between the two rival groups laying claim over SOHR seems to reflect a wider political feud brewing between the two main Syrian opposition camps: the Syrian National Council (SNC) and the National Coordination Body for Democratic Change in Syria (NCB), both increasingly at odds with each other over the call for foreign intervention. The moving force behind the rival group (www.syriahr.org) who issued a letter attacking Abdulrahman’s group (www.syriahr.com) is a London-based Syrian exile and medical doctor named Mousab Azzawi. The smear campaign launched by Azzawi seemed to have undertones of classism."

"While disputing the personal identity and political connections of Abdulrahman, Azzawi himself seems to have offered misleading information about his credentials."

"The row between Azzawi and Abdulrahman is not restricted to a question of personal identity and reputation, but also the role each played in the Observatory ... Azzawi claimed on the phone that the syriahr.com domain had been idle until August when Abdulrahman hijacked the website by taking sole control ... But an examination of the Internet Archive's WayBack Machine – which preserves old versions of websites – casts doubt on this claim ..."


The numbers are inconsistent unless "hundreds" doesn't mean hundreds.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Lobo wrote:
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That's exactly why members of the vehemently anti-war choir cite not to the American mainstream media, but to sources that are willing to cite to single individuals in the clothing business who reside nowhere near the Middle East, but have an entity name that sounds disingenuously credible.


I think you did some good work researching SOHR; but I do want to point out that the source I quoted (Ha-aretz) who quoted SOHR was about as mainstream as can be given the subject. It certainly makes sense to look at Israeli mainstream newspapers--which Ha-aretz most certainly is--to find out the latest about ISIS. In fact, The NY Times also quoted SOHR in one of its stories. So mainstream publications are just as (and often more so) prone to using questionable but disingenuously credibly named sources ("White House sources say..." and so on).


That's a very good point. And with regard to disingenuous credibility, "White House sources" are, indeed, even more so. In any administration.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Hey everybody ... Obama bombed the janitors last night!!!!
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And BTW ... They claim to have killed 30 terrorist last night along with 3 children and 5 innocent adults. At this rate the administration will have to kill 15,000 innocent women and children to get these bad guys...... but they are Syrians ... so I guess they just don't care.
This makes me sick.....
http://rt.com/news/189872-children-killed-strike-syria/
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I they don't want their civilians casualties due to airstrikes, then perhaps they should stop butchering innocent people. Just an idea.
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I think he catch is, we're not supposed to want civilian casualties, either.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On Sep 23, 2014, magicfish wrote:
I they don't want their civilians casualties due to airstrikes, then perhaps they should stop butchering innocent people. Just an idea.

You think those three kids beheaded anyone?
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Gotta love the way some folks use the word innocent. and other weasel words.
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