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My comparison is all the same things could have been said lay war.
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My comparison is all the same things could have been said lay war.

Either I had too much to drink last night, or your cellphone is possessed. Can't figure out what you meant.
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Could be said of the last war.
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I am only trying to see the difference. I don't even care I if the first time was right or wrong. Just want to hear the difference. Suddenly it is enough just to be a brutal regime. What a difference an election makes.


No. The difference is that ISIS is NOT a regime. They are rogue murderous extremists who threaten the entire Middle East.

I don't recall Saddam kidnapping and beheading American and British journalists and then televising their despicable acts.
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The comparison is that, if you don't believe that ISIS poses an imminent threat to the U.S., then we're taking military action based on false representations.

Two things:

1. If not an imminent threat, how is it that the U.S. military action is based on false representations? I just don't know what you mean, perhaps because I have not been following the news, perhaps I missed something. Is it a constitutional requirement that military action only take place to address imminent threats?

2. I do wonder what "imminent threat to the U.S." means in this context. How imminent? And is that a threat within the borders of the U.S.? Or does a threat to U.S. overseas interests good enough?

This article argues why action against ISIS is justified from an international law perspective:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree......ic-state
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On Oct 17, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am only trying to see the difference. I don't even care I if the first time was right or wrong. Just want to hear the difference. Suddenly it is enough just to be a brutal regime. What a difference an election makes.


No. The difference is that ISIS is NOT a regime. They are rogue murderous extremists who threaten the entire Middle East.

I don't recall Saddam kidnapping and beheading American and British journalists and then televising their despicable acts.


I agree Bob but it isn't just ISIS beheading people and showing to the public, for many many years now...

It's a whole belief system.

I'll stop there. Smile
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So ask the things he did we give him a pass for? Pretty convenient.
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The USA wanted to overthrow the al-Assad regime. So the CIA ordered the Muslim Brotherhood to use their variously named guerilla groups to help to do so. The World Leader who is responsible for this bit of trouble is the president of the USA.
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Is it a constitutional requirement that military action only take place to address imminent threats?


Imminence is an important criterion for making war.

(From balducci's reference above): "The use of force in the territory of another state is prohibited under the UN charter and customary international law. However, there are four universally recognised exceptions to this prohibition: UN security council authorisation (it has not acted in this case); consent of the state on whose territory the operations are conducted; self-defence; and collective self-defence."

As far as I know, any claim of self-defense has to include imminent danger.
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Not that I didn't see this coming, but yesterday at drill, after our flights were done for the day, the senior leadership was looking for "potential future volunteers....." Last time I had heard that I was about 13 years ago, and I was in Afghanistan a few months later. Though the whole "boots in the air" not being boots on the ground is BS. You need lots on the ground to support the Apache helicopters currently being used around Bagdad.
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The CIA are in Syria etcetera working with militants from the Muslim Brotherhood to overthrow the al-Assad regime, providing them funds, arms, training and so on. There is some infighting between the groups it seems and some have been running wild been apparently disavowed. The World Leader who is responsible for this bit of trouble is the president of the USA for making war this civil war you might call it.
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The comparison is that, if you don't believe that ISIS poses an imminent threat to the U.S., then we're taking military action based on false representations.

Two things:

1. If not an imminent threat, how is it that the U.S. military action is based on false representations? I just don't know what you mean, perhaps because I have not been following the news, perhaps I missed something. Is it a constitutional requirement that military action only take place to address imminent threats?

2. I do wonder what "imminent threat to the U.S." means in this context. How imminent? And is that a threat within the borders of the U.S.? Or does a threat to U.S. overseas interests good enough?

This article argues why action against ISIS is justified from an international law perspective:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree......ic-state



1. In the sense that the Secretary of Defense said that they posed an imminent threat to the USA.

2. Good question.
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As always, should you or any of your I.S.I.S. force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.
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Balducci wrote:
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Is it a constitutional requirement that military action only take place to address imminent threats?


Imminence is an important criterion for making war.

(From balducci's reference above): "The use of force in the territory of another state is prohibited under the UN charter and customary international law. However, there are four universally recognised exceptions to this prohibition: UN security council authorisation (it has not acted in this case); consent of the state on whose territory the operations are conducted; self-defence; and collective self-defence."

As far as I know, any claim of self-defense has to include imminent danger.

A little further in the article (around where it says "Nor is there any evidence to suggest that Isis poses an imminent threat to those states that would entitle them to rely on anticipatory self-defence to prevent an attack") it points out that nations may be justified in participating in a war even if they are not under imminent threat themselves. In particular, if they are assisting a state that is under attack that requests aid or perhaps one that is "unable or unwilling" to defend itself.
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I pity the USA.

They're ***ed if they do and they're ***ed if they don't.

I say go destroy ISIS, those who have the balls do. Those who don't, beatch.
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Niigata has worked with the CIA at the Jordanian base used to train Muslim Brotherhood guerrillas under the still secret joint DOD-CIA program that began in 2012. He will train-and-equip around 5,000 new Muslim Brotherhood guerrillas per year. Snipers will be used to shoot random civilians on all sides as normal to cause them fight each other. USA regular military will then go in to seize Russians oil supply under the humanitarian cloak. For some it will be murder, for the Secretary, it will just be another day in the city.
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