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Democracy was imposed on the United States, once upon a time.

Really? News to me.

I did once read about a war where a people in a settler nation tried to exterminate another people, then went on to overthrow their own oppressive overseas government. They created what they called a Republic. That Republic allowed certain rich white men to consolidate their own power. Later, the principle of one dollar, one vote was de facto enshrined. But democracy? Please, don't make me laugh.
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Democracy ... two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for lunch ... Pure democracy is insane ... It means that 51% of the people can vote to kill the other 49% and take everything they own .... We live in a Republic ..That gives rights to everyone, despite the shenanigans of everyone else. Our constitution is what allowed slaves to be free and women to vote. We live in a Republic brothers and sisters... never forget that! Smile
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Democracy was imposed on the United States, once upon a time.


Technically landmark does not seem to agree with democracy so it is kind of imposed on him isn't it? There are people in this country today who feel it is imposed on them as well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta stop that one. Democracy is the first principle for me. Govt decision of the people, by the people, for the people. And I defy you to show me one word I've ever posted here that contradicts that.


Are you not the self described socialist? I must have you confused with someone else if not sorry.
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Do you think destroying all of these fighters will stop their desire for a Caliphate?


No. Smile
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In the meantime the USA will give the mercenaries another $500,000,000. While the French start the bombing.

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Are you not the self described socialist? I must have you confused with someone else if not sorry.


Umm, Socialism is an economic system, Democracy is a political one. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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Compatibility, a merge of the two eh? Umm. Lets go back in the writings of Lenin. Lenin said the dictatorship will last about 70 years and then we shall merge into the West. The system that will come out of it will be not quite be capitalist nor quite socialist. Alvin Toffler's book "The Third Wave" is all about, the coming together of the two systems. Read Gorbachev's last speech to the politburo he said "you'll hear that communism is dead. Don't believe it. We're simply moving into the next phase." What he's talking about the New World Order – it's actually global socialism, a globalist fascist system at the top running the whole kit-and-caboodle. The media which all owned by the globalists and altogether attack you government left right and centre. The net effect is national government look incompetent and the solution is?
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Are you not the self described socialist? I must have you confused with someone else if not sorry.


Umm, Socialism is an economic system, Democracy is a political one. They aren't mutually exclusive.



Socialism is not a political philisophy? The good people at Wiki seem confused. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Perhaps you should clear it up for them.

While it may have @any flavors it is indeed a political movement. But by all means continue the condescending superior attitude if it makes you feel like the smartest guy in the room.
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Democracy was imposed on the United States, once upon a time.


Technically landmark does not seem to agree with democracy so it is kind of imposed on him isn't it? There are people in this country today who feel it is imposed on them as well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta stop that one. Democracy is the first principle for me. Govt decision of the people, by the people, for the people. And I defy you to show me one word I've ever posted here that contradicts that.


Are you not the self described socialist? I must have you confused with someone else if not sorry.

And you call yourself a capitalist? I must have confused you with someone else if not sorry.

The first day in 7th grade Social Studies class back in JHS 240 Mr. Anger (that was his name, but we thought he was cool since he drove a red sports car) told us, "If there's one thing I want you to learn this year and nothing else, it's that democracy and dictatorships are political systems, and capitalism and communism are economic systems."

I am a democratic socialist as are many folks around the world. Democracy being the political system I favor, and Syndicalism socialism (i.e. worker control of businesses) the economic system.

I don't believe we've seen a democracy in this world yet--govt of the people, by the people, for the people-- (despite how countries might self-describe), whether capitalist or socialist.

I don't believe that the structures of capitalism allow for democracy; inevitably, I believe, monied interests will grab hold of the political apparatus for their own ends. We can see how that has happened in all the Western capitalist nations.

Whether worker ownership of the economy will allow for democracy remains to be seen. It has never been tried yet. The self-described socialist countries were never worker run. Soviet Communist Party policy around the world for a long time was to eschew real syndicalism as the betrayed anarchists in Spain found out during the Spanish Civil War.

Summary: I don't believe that capitalism is compatible with democracy; it remains an open question whether democracy is compatible with some form of socialism. In any event, try talking to people about democracy from a very fundamental viewpoint, and you'll find all kinds of criticism about it, starting from Plato to Shakespeare to the founders of the US. Democracy ain't popular.
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Oxymoron:
Imposing deomocracy.


Imposing democracy = Liberating the oppressed and suffering

Please look up the definitions of oxymoron, impose, and democracy.



Look up humor.....

If you were saying my comment ws not very humorous, I agree; I wasn't trying to be humorous there.
If you were saying that your remark was meant to be humorous, then I agree. It was funny in a Windows 8 kind of way.
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I never said we live in a democracy. We have a representative republic. So lets be clear. This is not compatible wi

Communism and socialism are not necessarily interchangeable.

One flaw in your thinking. There are money interests in ANY form of government or economic system.
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Do you think destroying all of these fighters will stop their desire for a Caliphate?


No. Smile

My point .... No one does ... It's NOT the answer .. We've had 10 years to dig a hole in water .. It doesn't work. So Obama's answer is to do it more..... INSANE
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On Sep 18, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Democracy was imposed on the United States, once upon a time.


Technically landmark does not seem to agree with democracy so it is kind of imposed on him isn't it? There are people in this country today who feel it is imposed on them as well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta stop that one. Democracy is the first principle for me. Govt decision of the people, by the people, for the people. And I defy you to show me one word I've ever posted here that contradicts that.


Are you not the self described socialist? I must have you confused with someone else if not sorry.

And you call yourself a capitalist? I must have confused you with someone else if not sorry.

The first day in 7th grade Social Studies class back in JHS 240 Mr. Anger (that was his name, but we thought he was cool since he drove a red sports car) told us, "If there's one thing I want you to learn this year and nothing else, it's that democracy and dictatorships are political systems, and capitalism and communism are economic systems."

I am a democratic socialist as are many folks around the world. Democracy being the political system I favor, and Syndicalism socialism (i.e. worker control of businesses) the economic system.

I don't believe we've seen a democracy in this world yet--govt of the people, by the people, for the people-- (despite how countries might self-describe), whether capitalist or socialist.

I don't believe that the structures of capitalism allow for democracy; inevitably, I believe, monied interests will grab hold of the political apparatus for their own ends. We can see how that has happened in all the Western capitalist nations.

Whether worker ownership of the economy will allow for democracy remains to be seen. It has never been tried yet. The self-described socialist countries were never worker run. Soviet Communist Party policy around the world for a long time was to eschew real syndicalism as the betrayed anarchists in Spain found out during the Spanish Civil War.

Summary: I don't believe that capitalism is compatible with democracy; it remains an open question whether democracy is compatible with some form of socialism. In any event, try talking to people about democracy from a very fundamental viewpoint, and you'll find all kinds of criticism about it, starting from Plato to Shakespeare to the founders of the US. Democracy ain't popular.


I think a good idea would be for you and all of the rest of the Syndicalism Socialists to band together, start your own businesses owned by all the workers and compete with the rest of the world. Or do you prefer to just steal existing businesses from the current owners?
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I never said we live in a democracy.

And yet some people want us to bring "democracy" to other places. What they really mean is, let's impose some system, not really important what, that allows us to exploit your resources, thanks, have a nice day, and here are some bombs.
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Let's not be goofy here. While every instantiation of democracy has deeply problematic features, it hardly follows that each is a "non-democracy".
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Let's not be goofy here. While every instantiation of democracy has deeply problematic features, it hardly follows that each is a "non-democracy".


Remember, Landmark has also been quite critical of Obama, so perhaps he's getting some goofy ideas from Fox News.
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Once the attacks start here on U.S. soil, our walmarts, our malls, our parks, our grocery stores, will everyone here be so adamant in not letting the gov't intrude on some of our rights or will ya'll just want the attacks to multiply and take more and more lives. At what point does a liberal break and let the bad guys be stopped, saving lives?
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Let's not be goofy here. While every instantiation of democracy has deeply problematic features, it hardly follows that each is a "non-democracy".


I disagree, John. As the waiter said the customer, How much poison in your coffee would you like with that sir? What's the matter, you don't like coffee?

No; there have been no democratic nation-states that I have been aware of. Some democratic institutions (juries), some democratic organizations, some democratic workplaces, some democratic households. But thus far, no democratic countries. Frankly, there's not that much interest from the elites.
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Once the attacks start here on U.S. soil, our walmarts, our malls, our parks, our grocery stores, will everyone here be so adamant in not letting the gov't intrude on some of our rights or will ya'll just want the attacks to multiply and take more and more lives. At what point does a liberal break and let the bad guys be stopped, saving lives?


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