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plink Special user 661 Posts |
A rookie question, what are some alternatives to the Goshman Pinch? Thanks!
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martysh Special user Greenville,SC 527 Posts |
Probably not what you want to hear but to my mind the Goshman pinch is not really that hard and quite dependable...
you have to put some work in at the start of course..but it is a 100% completed sleight..once the coin gets there its there and secured. I don't want to sound too trite but stay with it a bit each day and you will find that it will be yours quite quickly... I have learned it 20 years ago and if for anything as an out or a needed precaution it is indispensable. Marty |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
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S we e retrieval I too vote for learning It has severed me well since learning it in Goshman lecture in 76. Back then I knew next to nothing about coins Now I know even less. Harris With Palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4911 Posts |
Myself I just a back palm The Angles Are Better!
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Mb217 Inner circle 9530 Posts |
I love and use the move regularly, and think it is easier to do and just as deceptive as any relative-type moves like it. I think it's more appropriately known as the Tenkai Pinch but I'm sure you'll get the deeper story on that here.
It really is a very comfortable move to make when you get used to it. Not to mention that it can be accomplished by most any hand size (with perhaps appropriate coin size adjustments), while other such moves can be much more difficult to attain under these dynamics. But as to an "alternative" David mentions one in the Back Palm. Oh, and welcome to the Café.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
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On Sep 19, 2014, plink wrote: Have a look in the book Sleight of Hand by Edwin Sachs - there are options. Deep Back Clip is also an option - see Ganson's book The Art of Closeup Magic volume 1 for Vernon's item. Others have moved to EG type concealments ... ultimately depends on where your audience is and your performing style.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9987 Posts |
I would recommend also learning the Schneider Basic vanish. The psychology is the same and both rely on the "predictive vision" principle. Both methods can be interchanged to advantage.
However, both should follow an establishment of a Pattern of an actual transfer using the same hand positions. The observer's mind is trained to see the coin travel over and with when it is not there at all. In fact, under the right routine flow the Pitch (or drop) can be executed with no coin in hand at all -- and the spectator will still "see" it. Since the "best" vanish is one where "the coin never was" this Pitch can be part of several extraordinary effects in which both hands are shown absolutely clean.
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themagiciansapprentice Inner circle Essex, UK 1381 Posts |
I started learning the Goshman Pinch last Saturday, yesterday I did live in a restaurant for Greg Wilson's 3/4 across routine.
Lots if short practice sessions each days helped. Other pinches are usable, but I wanted to do another 'clean' coin routine instead of relying on my coin unique all the time.
Have wand will travel! Performing children's magic in the UK for Winter 2014 and Spring 2015.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
For fun and variety try it with other than half dollar size coins.
Using a USA penny and English penny you can get some nice Visual eye candy For you advanced workers try it with a penny and dime (USA) or other two small sized currency. Throw in other stuff Palm to Palm Pin... Vanish One or 2 handed stuff Harris Still With palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4675 Posts |
The Goshman pinch is a misnomer. It is really the Tenkai pinch. There are many other worthwhile concealments, but it depends on what you need to do. Bono lists some, the Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights has some, and Coinmagic and Roth's Expert Coin Magic discuss some. You can see many types of concealments used in the NYCMS DVD series.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
The nycs and encyclopedias are great combos.
Thanks for educating our newer and older coin guys. Harris. Still too old to know it all
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4675 Posts |
Misspelling in my post. That was Bobo, not Bono
S.E.M. (The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth) is a sun and moon routine unlike any other. Limited to 100 sets, here is the promo:
https://youtu.be/aFuAWCNEuOI?si=ZdDUNV8lUPWvtOcL $325 ppd USA (Shipping extra outside of USA). If interested, shoot me an email for ordering information at rubinsteindvm@aol.com |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Thanks I don't know if Sonny B. did magic.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2351 Posts |
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On Sep 20, 2014, Harris wrote: Showing your age. Nowadays U2's lead singer is more likely to come to mind. And even then, they're a band from the '80s |
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frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
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On Sep 20, 2014, Michael Rubinstein wrote: all good doc I knew what you meant. |
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plink Special user 661 Posts |
Wow! What a wealth of great advice!! Thank you all, I figure practice, practice, practice is the way to go.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Don't forget to play.
I'm guessing you other workers create good bad and artistic coin pieces as I do, that way.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Philip Busk Loyal user 229 Posts |
When I was a teen tried to learn the Tenkai pinch and gave up. Three years ago, at 50, I decided to try again with success. More patience? More practice? Who knows. If you get frustrated, table it for awhile and try again... I'd suggest days and not years. It's a great slight.
Philip Busk
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4911 Posts |
Yea trou the Years I have found SOOOO many uses for a Backpalm!
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