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Rod Irroc
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Wow, disappointing to read. Thanks for your review sbays. I haven't seen this yet but thought the reaction would be much better. The clips I saw AG performing seemed very moving.
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One good or bad review doesn't make or break it though to be fair...

i usually wait for half a dozen reviews before I take it all on board...
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On Dec 21, 2014, IAIN wrote:
One good or bad review doesn't make or break it though to be fair...

i usually wait for half a dozen reviews before I take it all on board...


This is absolutely true! This was just MY opinion. I truly hope those of you waiting on this find more value in it than I did.
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True... I'm gonna give it a chance. I know sometimes seeing old school methods may not be as exciting as new ideas, but I guess Scryer is known for his presentation with these methods. So to magicians/mentalists maybe these are pretty tame but to the layperson, these may be killer...
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Wow... Thanks for the review guys. Maybe Carl is right, maybe Tarbell might need to be dusted off along with Mark Wilsons Encyclopedia of Magic. It kind of reminds me of the simplicity that Tommy Wonder use to talk about. Simplicity in thought, effect, and presentation will always deliver the most impactful of responses. However it's just my two cents worth. Well...who knows maybe Neal Scryer is Tommy back from the grave with a new twist. (Love Ya Deeply Mr. Wonder) Always with respect! Carl whatcha think?
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Spot on G !
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Just got word from a friend that a friend of his from Alaska bought them, he said they were tremendous .
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I just got word from a friend that a friend of his in North Korea thought the DVD was so good, he didn't want it released.
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I fall on the side of enjoying these DVDs.

I'm not familiar with Scryer or Andrew G. - though I have seen something of Paul R. before.

I am a big fan of Richard Webster, so that was a treat.

Not sure why anyone would be dissatisfied with the effects - after all, they WERE listed in the Ad. I can't believe there's anyone on this board that doesn't already know half a dozen different methods for OOTW.

That's not why you buy this ...

It's EVERYTHING around the tricks that make these DVDs special.

Andrew's presentations on the first disk were phenomenal - and his subsequent discussion of what makes these presentations work was highly informative and I think, interesting. Plus, it appeared he legitimately brought out strong emotion in his first participant, and he shared a slick little anchoring (?) technique to make that happen. For one-on-one - I don't see how you get much stronger than that.

Paul's effects on the second disk were good - not earth shattering, yet still very good, and his level of insight shared during the explanation portion wasn't as deep as Andrew's, but it was clear these were decent "working" effects within the realm of any competent performer's abilities. Not to take anything way from Paul, I think his explanations were practical and more geared to "workers."

I especially enjoyed his impromptu three chair test and the Svengali routine.

Once you see the routine you'll be delighted with the manner in which he reveals the deck to be ordinary - while getting some extra mileage out of the routine at the same time ... very nice.

And before the second disk was finished playing I'd already dropped a couple of bucks on Penguin's site to get the necessary something you'll need/want to perform the spinner routine.

As I said, prior to this purchase, I wasn't familiar with Scryer's work, but I can see his books on my shelf in the near future.

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Good to hear! Isn't Richard Webster on the set explaining his A-Z psychometry. I'm looking forward to that.
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If anyone bought the DVDs, doesn't like them and wants to sell them then please PM me.
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"Andrew's presentations on the first disk were phenomenal - and his subsequent discussion of what makes these presentations work was highly informative and I think, interesting. Plus, it appeared he legitimately brought out strong emotion in his first participant, and he shared a slick little anchoring (?) technique to make that happen. For one-on-one - I don't see how you get much stronger than that."

I couldn't disagree more. I thought they were WAY to overboard and contrived. Aside from actually trying to elicit a strong negative emotion, up to and including crying, I found the structure and the discussion of these effects to be way to convoluted. The first girl, which by the way is an actor (which they do acknowledge), was obviously putting on a performance. The second girl (also an actor)seems a bit more genuine with her reactions, and this particular routine was, and I use this term loosely, the best routine out of all of these. Although, they edited out a part of this performance, and re-inserted a cleaner close-up shot. AG comments in the discussion portion that they edited this out because they wanted us to see it as the spectator saw it. I can deal with that when it comes to a dealer demo, but NOT when I paid a hundred dollars for the DVD set. I want to see the performance as it actually happened.

It took them WAY too long to just get to the point of how to perform the effects. They were all over the place with their discussion. And AG's friend that was on the DVD with him ... well, I don't see why he was even there. He certainly did not contribute anything to the project or discussion.

Yes it's true, all of these effects are basics and have been around for a long time. That is kind of my point, they brought nothing new to them. For the price tag and hype on this set, I was expecting something new and creative. This is just rehashed material. There are a couple things on here that I would give an "OK" to, but mostly I found it to be very muddy and uninspiring.

I have buyers remorse, but I am glad to hear you found some value in the set. I wish I could have. I just didn't. But maybe I will be in the minority. And that's fine with me. Smile
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On Dec 22, 2014, Isper wrote:
If anyone bought the DVDs, doesn't like them and wants to sell them then please PM me.


PM'd you
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I appreciate your perspective, Sbays - I've bought things others liked that I was still waiting to be impressed long after my purchase.

However, I did find value and am pleased with the set.

Mental Mike: Yes, Webster does explain Psychometry A-Z and when he's done you'll be able to give a quick reading on the fly at the drop of a hat.

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Most important is that your audience enjoys your performance is Cardinal rule number one. But seems people like to fool each other here. So if you can't fool your fellow performer with an effect it has no value and you are not the head honcho. So sad to think this way but that's the nature of the beast and you can't change it .
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Most important is that your audience enjoys your performance is Cardinal rule number one. But seems people like to fool each other here. So if you can't fool your fellow performer with an effect it has no value and you are not the head honcho. So sad to think this way but that's the nature of the beast and you can't change it .


I could care less about "fooling" other performers. I do not perform for other performers as a general rule. I see many, including some of my friends, who perform solely for other magicians, and it is their soul purpose in life to do material that fools them. They have to change effects constantly to keep up. I just change audiences. Smile
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Well said Sbays ,you are one of the few that thinks the way one should. I feel as I have seen many just look to fool their fellow peers .
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The stuff about "the most anticipated DVD project of 2014" and 'the most influential mentalist since Annemann" may have worked against this set. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary material. So far, the feedback suggests it may not contain such material.

This may be one of those cases where a little less hype and a little more modesty may have led to lower expectations and kinder reviews?
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On Dec 22, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote:
The stuff about "the most anticipated DVD project of 2014" and 'the most influential mentalist since Annemann" may have worked against this set. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary material. So far, the feedback suggests it may not contain such material.

This may be one of those cases where a little less hype and a little more modesty may have led to lower expectations and kinder reviews?


I definitely think you have a point here. Had this set been priced around 30-40 bucks, I might not have felt AS badly about it, but my review of the material would have been the same.

Same thing is happening with another DVD set about to come out, and I am not touching that with a ten foot pole.

I still shake my head when I see these high ticket items coming out and failing to deliver ... and then you can go buy, oh lets say Cassidy's Artful Mentalism books for 60 bucks, which deliver on every front. I just do not get it.
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You need to become a nuclear Phycisicist first to get it ,so guess you never will.
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