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Very masculine suggestions so far. Unless I've missed something, the only female performers mentioned so far are in Fleetwood Mac. Another couple of interesting demographic notes, but I'll leave them for someone else to raise.


Again, the question isn't about "favorite" albums, but about THE "greatest" album.


I admire most of the albums that are named. I'm just wondering aloud what our judgments of greatness say about us, our upbringings, our culture...

Wonder if anyone picked an album that was released after their 30th birthday.


Like I said, what I consider to be the "greatest" album is different from the one I'd call my favorite. I tried to use an objective standard in determining the "greatest"- influence on later albums and musicians, critical rankings, etc., most of which were summarized in the link I posted. (I'm sure that the staff at "Rolling Stone" that rated Sergeant Pepper #1 of the top 500 rock albums of all time had members who weren't even born when the album was released.

The point is, unless we can agree on some kind of objective standard to rate an album as the "greatest," we're really just talking about personal favorites. And, as far as persona favorites go, I agree with you that most would probably pick an album that came out during their formative years.

That said, does anyone remember The Fugs album "Golden Filth" which contained such classics as "Saran Wrap" and "Coca Cola D0uche?" (I don't believe it made any "greatest" lists but it sure was one of my favorites. Smile
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Very masculine suggestions so far. Unless I've missed something, the only female performers mentioned so far are in Fleetwood Mac. Another couple of interesting demographic notes, but I'll leave them for someone else to raise.


Again, the question isn't about "favorite" albums, but about THE "greatest" album.


I admire most of the albums that are named. I'm just wondering aloud what our judgments of greatness say about us, our upbringings, our culture...

Wonder if anyone picked an album that was released after their 30th birthday.



BTW, Californication came out after my 30th birthday.
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BTW, Californication came out after my 30th birthday.


Mine too.
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It came out a little after my 30th. I heard the singles from it, but that was all for a few years; I didn't own it until I was in my late 30s, and I was (and remain) really astonished and impressed by the depth of the album (it has 15 songs) and its variety and quality. Some of the best songs on it never made the radio (as at as I know), and the ones that did were outstanding.
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Someone mentioned the Stones ... for me, Let It Bleed has to be one of the all-time great rock albums.
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I think we can agree that rock is generally a male-dominated genre. I was tempted to list Joplin's Pearl as one of my choices but there are a few tracks I skip over when I play it.

If we are allowing folk/rock, then my choices include many more females: Judy Collins, Carole King, Tracy Chapman and so on...

If we are allowing R&B and soul, then Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Funkadelics, and so on.

And the over 30 question I think was certainly relevant. I think all my original choices were pre-30.
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I we're allowing R&B, you'd HAVE to include James Brown!
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My personal nominees in NO particular order:

AC/DC Back in Black

Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction

Van Halen (debut album)

Metallica (black album)

Mark


As for the criteria of every track being a winner and the album being a seamless whole, I'd second Back in Black. And I'd like to add Dark Side of the Moon.

If we had an influential category I'd nominate Electric Ladyland.
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And speaking of nationalism, does Neil Young's Harvest count as a rock album?


Interesting question. Is rock something that rock musicians play, or is it a thing in and of itself?

Harvest is an astonishing album, filled with brilliance. But rock? I dunno. And the orchestral stuff--when a man needs a maid (or whatever it's called--doesn't quite do it for me.

Which reminds me of Sgt Pepper. It's also brilliant, and influential, and bla bla bla. But Within Without You, Mr Kite, She's Leaving Home? Same question: is it rock? Why?

I think that the White Album is one of the best collection of songs and musical ideas ever created in any genre whatsoever. So I guess I'd vote for the White Album.
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Someone mentioned the Stones ... for me, Let It Bleed has to be one of the all-time great rock albums.


But Goat's Head Soup is one of the best titles and has a brilliant cover. And a couple of pretty decent songs too.
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The Band's second ablum.
Rain Dogs, Tom Waits.
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Someone mentioned the Stones ... for me, Let It Bleed has to be one of the all-time great rock albums.


But Goat's Head Soup is one of the best titles and has a brilliant cover. And a couple of pretty decent songs too.


Including Angie, which bounces around #2-#5 on my list of Stones songs (Gimme Shelter being inviolate at the top spot).
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Interesting no one mentioned Pet Sounds which was a game changer for many of the 'game changer' musicians you mention. Especially for the Beatles. It started rock on a new tangent. And, Freak Out - The Mothers. The next great change was Spiders from Mars - Bowie. All favs of mine.
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Must mention Songs in the Key of Life, even if you think it's not quite rock.
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I've got to re-mention my first choice of album "The Who sell out".
This was, and is, by my reckoning, the only album to be based around the concept of a pirate
radio broadcast.Complete with advertisements and jingles between the tracks.
There's been nothing like it, before or since. Plus, it's got some scrotum clenching music on
there as well.
You can stick your contrived, REO BostonSpeedChicagowagon, simulcast rock by numbers drivel, right up your jacksy.
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Although I was born to be mild my favorite is Steppenwolf.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWRypqz5-o

I also love Deep Purple, Smoke on the Water, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mCK05dgwgU

Led Zepplin is also on my list. The Immigrant song is my favorite, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk
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Ok since I love classic prog rock, I shall chime in with some of those:

Genesis - Selling England by the Pound, Foxtrot
Yes - Close to the Edge
Jethro Tull - Aqualung, Thick as a Brick
Camel - Moonmadness
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery

I could go on and on.... lol

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We're just a bunch of racist, sexist pigs. Homophobic, too. I mean, Queen is on the list, but where is Judas Priest? Where is Elton John?

Judas Priest is metal, not rock.
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I don't know about albums, but my favorite song is probably "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio. Technically it is metal though.
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Metal IS a genre of rock. The statement that metal isn't rock is simply wrong.

True, all rock isn't metal. But all metal is rock.
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