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OzJosh New user Australia 95 Posts 
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On Nov 18, 2014, Illucifer wrote: great point and a well respected point.
Magic is the ability to lie and people to love you for it and want you to lie to them again and again and again
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts
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Sadly I'm not surprised by this. I'm not suggesting sans minds stole the idea but their "due diligence" to try to ensure their idea isn't old seems to be somewhat lacking as this has happened Before as I recall. Quite honestly; the only person worse than sans minds at the moment is shin lim!
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ReviewerMaster Veteran user 307 Posts
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Have you seen what they did with the frog trick?
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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What is the frog trick?
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3065 Posts
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Mike close
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts
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And what did they do with it?
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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1582 Posts
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Destroyed every single DVD in public and made a video.
Author of 10S Star Sign Divination - olivier.ceierry@gmail.com for a digital copy.
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ralphgironda Loyal user 291 Posts
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On Nov 14, 2014, Illucifer wrote: He constantly pokes fun at David Harkey in his book and makes fun of his horrible ideas. What book were you reading? Sadowitz, Kaufman, and many others consider it one of the worst books of all time. The vhs tape called "Harkey on Tape" was awful and given horrible reviews. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts
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Ralphgironda, Kaufman's grievance with David was not about the material. He wanted to publish David's book and David said no. As for the other voices, that's their opinion. I don't expect everyone to love it. However, I happen to think that Chris Kenner and Jon Racherbaumer and David Copperfield among many, many others are pretty viable voices. I can speak for the material myself, as well.
No, Chris Kenner does not deride David's material in his book. What are you reading? Go back and have a second look. Yes, Chris pokes fun at David's ego, and, yeah, David was a bit cocky back then. Now, crack open your copy of Chris' book and turn to the illustration that shows the license plate representing David. It's the one for Eugene, Oregon, and has 'EGO' as the plate number. Tell me what it says right below that in the illustration. That said, none of what you said applies here. This thread has nothing to do with whether you think David's published material is good or not. It has everything to do with the fact that a piece of his published material has been unethically marketed and uncredited by SansMinds.
It's all in the reflexes.
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ralphgironda Loyal user 291 Posts
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On Nov 20, 2014, Illucifer wrote: Richard Kaufman wrote on The Genii Forum: On 11/22/2006 at 07:14 PM Quote:
I can't recall wanting to publish the book, but it's possible. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts
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Again, ralphgirando, this has exactly what to do with the topic at hand?
Nevertheless, I'll humor... Kaufman clearly states that, indeed, he may have wanted to publish the book, but can't recall. I have no beef with Richard at all. I like Richard a lot. Simply relaying the story as I know it, and he doesn't deny that. As for crediting, David's book gives proper credit through and through. And, again, show me where Kenner derides David's material. And I couldn't quite hear you regarding what's written on that license plate illustration in Chris's book. Can you speak up just a bit, please? Finally, yet again, everything you've brought up has absolutely zero to do with this topic.
It's all in the reflexes.
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JD_UK Regular user 155 Posts
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I understand there is a crediting issue here which needs to be looked at but the reason I'm not paying attention to the David Harkey book is because I'm sure someone said it was hard to find & really expensive! I can't afford the amount that was quoted!
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts
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It is out of print for many years and, therefore, often goes for a higher price. Not terribly difficult to come by, though. And the book includes 60 routines, almost any of which could be packaged and marketed as a single-trick dvd in today's market and would fly off the shelves.
It's all in the reflexes.
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johne Special user 960 Posts
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It was recently listed on "lets make a magic deal" on this website for $150.00.
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Ceierry Inner circle Europe 1582 Posts
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Any more opinions about the effect?
Author of 10S Star Sign Divination - olivier.ceierry@gmail.com for a digital copy.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2654 Posts
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On Nov 21, 2014, Ceierry wrote: I don't think anyone is saying it's not good, I think this is great, it's the origins and crediting that are in question. I still have to hear from someone who has this dvd and the book to know how much overlap there is here, both appear to have multiple handlings etc but are they the same, they may look the same but are they?
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts
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Okay, Saturn UK, I'll say it again. If you know David's routine and method, then one look at the On/Off video will tell you that the method is precisely the same, the only difference being the finger that is used.
It's all in the reflexes.
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James Conti Elite user My mum isn't too pleased about my 425 Posts
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All method similarities aside, let's get back to the actual effect. Mine is coming in about a week and I will write my usual review on my site, which I will link you guys to.
How angly is the effect? Instant reset? How durable is the gimmick? Thank you all, James ireviewmagic.weebly.com
Check out my teenage point of view magic reviews here:
http://ireviewmagic.weebly.com Watch my reviews here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVbu_9bC71_H8BYM8YL9geg |
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2835 Posts
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On Nov 22, 2014, James Conti wrote: The reset is like a sec. There is no gimmick. Angles, not sure yet I haven't had the time to put into it. |
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