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Eddy
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I am having a little trouble with this one. I looked at McBrides vid, and read it in bobo, but for the love of god I cannot get the coins to come out individually by contacting the under side of them with my third finger. It just doesn't really reach. Any tips?
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Jonathan Townsend
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My third finger can't go there either. So I use my second finger. The upper surface up to the first two knuckles gets under there much easier. That works for placements too.

Hope this helps,

Jon
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Larry Barnowsky
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I always use the middle finger to pull out the coins. Check out the Fred Kaps Coin and Glass Routine in Routine Manipulation Finale for some excellent photos of the move and a great routine.
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I have trouble with it too.

Try using the middle finger as suggested.

Also, grip the coins in a looser manner, hopefully they have good milled edges and the faces are smooth. I know that's an odd combo...but the milling helps to hold the coins and the smooth faces make sliding one away from the stack very easy since there are less hard edges on the coin to snag.
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Bill Hegbli
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Tip, use the index finger to push against all but the one the side of your middle finger is removing. Bend your fingers tightly at your first and second flanges. The second finger applies upward and draws the coin from the bottom of the stack, to a position between the index and second fingertips. The thumb then pushes up on the underside of the coin.

Note: Coin size is important to the proportion of your hand. If you are using quarters is much harder then Halves or Dollar size coins.

As I have stated on another string, I produce 8 Neilsen coins from the Downs Palm one at time.

Keep practicing!

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I'm not sure what your difficulty is, but in Buckley's Principles and Deceptions both productions are covered.If you are in lower Downs palm, use the third finger, if in upper Downs use the second finger.

Lower Downs feels a little awkward for me to produce, but I haven't practiced it enough anyway.

Does this address any of your difficulty?
Jonathan Townsend
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Are you guys calling the edge on version of classic palm 'Downs Palm' ? I thought this was called by a different name. Puzzled here.
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Bill Hegbli
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Look up in Bobo coin book. "Down's Palm" is edge on in Thumb crotch. "Classic Palm" is in the palm proper face of coin flat against your palm. Classic palm would use a muscle release, not a finger pull off.

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A few things worked for me.
If the coins are slipping try "ruffing" up the edges on cement or something similar it makes it easier to control.
To practise the muscles try changing one coin to another in the Downs palm and then later try changing 2 for 2. You can even do a silver to copper routine with this.
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PS I have seen some people spell it Downes palm if anyone battles to find it in one of their books.
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Henry Hay termed the "edge" palm the "edge, oblique or Downs palm". Possibly the reason for both palms being reffered to as "Downs" palm.
Jonathan Townsend
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Thanks Shawlie,

I learned the edge palm stuff from Downs' books, though refer to the 'Downs Palm' as that nice horizontal edge grip in the fork of the thumb and first finger. Hence my confusion at discussions about using the third finger to get in there.

The material using Edge Palm where you use grip coins between the tips of the second and third fingers looks a bit less empty handed, though as per the Downs book, allows you to do coin passes with LOTS of coins.

Thanks for the clarification.
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I too am I having trouble with the MDPP. I'm trying to use 3 coins as taught on McBride manip video vol1. I just started learning it so I'll give it some time but I do have a major concern. How do you prevent the coins from "talking?" Everytime I produce a coin it makes a sound letting someone know there's something else in my hand. Any help?
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Kihei
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In addition to using the middle finger, I use the 1st joint of the thumb as a stop for the uppermost coins. It is more like sliding the bottom one out as the top three are held back. Hope this helps. This can be seen in some of the Curtis Kam videos (palms of steel).
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BronxRican
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Soo..any thoughts on the sound that is made after each production?
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Yo Bronx,

Most noise problems are caused by the irregular surfaces of the coins sliding across eachother. But you already knew that, right?

The problem identified, the solutions suggest themselves:

1. Use smooth coins. No bumps, no sound. If you have one of those advertising "wooden nickels" or a few smooth poker chips, try them and see the difference. Many of the manufactured "chinese" coins are very smooth and silent.

2. Don't press the coins together as you remove the bottom one. The precise mechanics are : 1) the bottom coin is released, and allowed to drop away from the stack by a mere fraction of a fraction of an inch, 2) the coin is brought forward, balanced on the side of the finger momentarily until 3) it is produced. Just think about having a light touch, and don't worry about the balance. The coin is in that position so briefly that actual stability is not esssential.

That should manage the sound problem sufficiently. Just keep these ideas in mind while you practice. Eventually, you'll find that you will have learned the technique, and smoothed out your coins in the process.

Ah, such is the wisdom of the coin.
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Curtis kam thanks. I work with half dollars I'll try and find ways to smoothen them or just get smoother coins
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