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I'm not sure if I agree with the approach taken by this mentalist to explain what mentalism is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdPQMEjnnRc

Do you agree? Is this how you would describe it to a reporter? Would love to hear your thoughts!

Mindblowingly,
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They're keeping it mystical and philosophical, nothing wrong with that in my view.

I don't like the idea of describing mentalism as doing "mind tricks" like some choose to do. It's much more than that in my opinion and experience.

Here, he leans towards the mystical, towards self-knowledge, turning inwards, mixing mentalism with the metaphysical and eastern philosophical thought. Fine by me.

No different than some "NLP", "Psychology", or "Body Language" performers going out there and waxing about similar things while performing "tricks". No difference.
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Well I certainly wouldn't describe it accurately. Personally, I just define it as a scientific form of thought reading and leave it to them to figure out what that means. If pressed, I might add that it's based on the use of sound psychological principles combined with my enhanced intuition and ability to visualize in extreme detail.
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How would you explain it, Genius?
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Yes, it would be nice if the OP gave his opinion too. He seems to have a habit of starting a thread without ever giving an opinion of his own.

That said, I found the explanation on the video very long winded, and uninteresting. My explanation tends to be very short, swiftly followed by a demonstration of my talents.
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I prefer Bob's approach. I don't go too much into detail, and let them draw their own conclusions.

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How would you explain it, Genius?
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What I say, if I'm asked, is this:

"I'm an expert manipulator of thoughts and behavior"

I've found that this line, though is more balanced to the "Psychological Illusionist" approach, it leaves open a wide range of posibilities of what I do to the spectator.
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I personally think that "manipulator" comes across negatively. Influence is more positive, wouldn't you say?

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On Nov 10, 2014, Ever Elizalde wrote:
What I say, if I'm asked, is this:

"I'm an expert manipulator of thoughts and behavior"

I've found that this line, though is more balanced to the "Psychological Illusionist" approach, it leaves open a wide range of posibilities of what I do to the spectator.
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On Nov 10, 2014, genius wrote:
I personally think that "manipulator" comes across negatively. Influence is more positive, wouldn't you say?

Mindblowingly,
Charles

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On Nov 10, 2014, Ever Elizalde wrote:
What I say, if I'm asked, is this:

"I'm an expert manipulator of thoughts and behavior"

I've found that this line, though is more balanced to the "Psychological Illusionist" approach, it leaves open a wide range of posibilities of what I do to the spectator.


technically you are correct.

But the spectator have no idea how I can manipulate "Thoughts". That's why it leaves open the posibilities on their minds.
Besides, I never "explain" how I manipulate them, nor what to study to become a "manipulator" I just leave that to mystery Smile
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I don't follow your logic. You agree it is a "negative" term but you justify its inclusion because the spectator has no idea how you do it?

You can "influence" with your spectator having no idea how you did it, no? It can be supernatural influence, verbal influence, psychic influence, etc. Plus "influence" is positive.

Maybe it's just a matter of semantics.

Mindblowingly,
Charles



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On Nov 10, 2014, Ever Elizalde wrote:
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On Nov 10, 2014, genius wrote:
I personally think that "manipulator" comes across negatively. Influence is more positive, wouldn't you say?

Mindblowingly,
Charles

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On Nov 10, 2014, Ever Elizalde wrote:
What I say, if I'm asked, is this:

"I'm an expert manipulator of thoughts and behavior"

I've found that this line, though is more balanced to the "Psychological Illusionist" approach, it leaves open a wide range of posibilities of what I do to the spectator.


technically you are correct.

But the spectator have no idea how I can manipulate "Thoughts". That's why it leaves open the posibilities on their minds.
Besides, I never "explain" how I manipulate them, nor what to study to become a "manipulator" I just leave that to mystery Smile
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Whenever someone asks what I do I just say "Let me show you", I never mention the word mentalism or anything of the sort because I don't want it to be associated with what others do, also lets people draw their own conclusions.
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Well, first off the host asked, "Who is a mentalist?" So my answer would be, "Me." However part the way into the golf ball thing I started cringing. The last thing, as a performer, that I want to do, is to imply that my audience is small minded and I experience more of the world them them. That's not the foot I want to start on. The, "look at how clever I am," thing is part of the reason the general public doesn't give magicians and mentalists enough credit.
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On Nov 10, 2014, genius wrote:
I personally think that "manipulator" comes across negatively. Influence is more positive, wouldn't you say?

Mindblowingly,
Charles

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On Nov 10, 2014, Ever Elizalde wrote:
What I say, if I'm asked, is this:

"I'm an expert manipulator of thoughts and behavior"

I've found that this line, though is more balanced to the "Psychological Illusionist" approach, it leaves open a wide range of posibilities of what I do to the spectator.

Well, I think that while manipulator does have a more negative vibe then influence, that could be a good thing. To give it a slightly darker side allows the phrasing a certain roguish quality, that if done right can be quite charming.
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"I am a mentalist. I use my mind, your mind or anyone's mind to blow everyone's minds. Still didn't get what I mean? Think of a color...it is not written anywhere it is purely IN YOUR MIND.." and that's how I usually start. While I don't mind if exactly same words are used by anyone, what I actually want to share here is the fact that I use that short sentence as an intro into a small mentalism effect or opener and I believe that showing an effect does more than explaining with mere words.

Now that I have been doing it for a few years, I am confident enough to open with c*&d R$#@%ng especially in a close-up setting before a show.
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"I am a mentalist. I use my mind, your mind or anyone's mind to blow everyone's minds. Still didn't get what I mean? Think of a color...it is not written anywhere it is purely IN YOUR MIND.." and that's how I usually start. While I don't mind if exactly same words are used by anyone, what I actually want to share here is the fact that I use that short sentence as an intro into a small mentalism effect or opener and I believe that showing an effect does more than explaining with mere words.

Now that I have been doing it for a few years, I am confident enough to open with c*&d R$#@%ng especially in a close-up setting before a show.


Hi IbiMania, long time no see you around here.
That is actually a great opener! I liked it.
I shall see you on the other side.
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