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Chris "linkster" Watson
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Just thought it would be interesting to find out what coin manipulations you guy's use in routines (coin roll, Roll outs etc) and in what context you use them?

Do you use manipulation to introduce coin magic into your act?

Do you use things like coin rolls for misdirection?

Do you use a bit of flash to link routines?

I shall look forward to your thoughts.

Chris
Larry Barnowsky
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I don't use any flourishes in any of my stand up coin routines. There's nothing inherently wrong with them but they just don't fit the style of routines I currently do.
Jonathan Townsend
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I'm still working on using the coin roll as a sleight.
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Chris "linkster" Watson
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Hi Johnathan,

Is that still working on learning the coin roll or using it in a devious way within the context of a trick?

Chris
Jonathan Townsend
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Yes Chris. The idea is to show what a coin 'put' looks like from **underneath** and use the coin roll to move the coin to the back of my hand in the process. Then, after a display of what looks like empty hands, continue the roll to bring the coin around back into my hand under cover of pulling up my sleeves. The basic issue is timing how I raise my hands up to shoulder level during the put so the left hand just screens to coin flipping around to the back of the right fingers.
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Rob Johnston
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I perform the coin roll, and that seems to get some good reactions. I have not used it for misdirection however. I should see what I can do with that, because that is an amazing idea.
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Chris "linkster" Watson
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Hi Astinus,

Glad you liked the idea, not sure who's it was originally, I'm sure it's been used thousands of times before though. Worth checking out Reed's Coin Patriot DVD for some roll downs whilst producing other coins.

I am currently working on a routine where one coin is rolled down the fingers, splits in to two, perform a roll down in both hands, then a double roll down in one hand...use this as misdirection to steal two more coins and perform a double roll down in both hands. It is still along way off performance standard before anyone asks!!

I would appreciate ideas on where to hold the 2 coins to steal. I currently put them behind me tucked into my belt. Any holder ideas or better places for a quick steal would be appreciated.

Johnathan...Sounds technical !! ay similarity to a himber vanish, but using a coin roll? Just trying to picture what the effect would look like.

regards
Chris
Jonathan Townsend
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It's supposed to look like a retention type 'put' vanish. It happens that both hands move UP to chin level during the 'put' action so you wind up showing the audience the inside of your right hand just after the placement and while the hands are still together.
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MrCyNic
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At the risk of stating the obvious, that's a fascinating application you have there, Jonathan.

I remember Dan Watkins discussing a method (based in part on a move in David Stone's Basic Coin Magic Vol. 2) of showing the hand empty as it steals back the coin in his Coinvanish manuscript. It does seem to provide a strong, convincing impression in a retention pass.

As far as your thinking goes, do you even remember what the inside of the box looked like? Smile

Cheers,

Cy.
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The coin roll is hard to master, and I am still working on it. But, it is a very good sleight.

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David Neighbors
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HI Gang,
I use A coin roll To show Skill! So thay See You are Good! That's Just before I ring In the Gaff And blow them Away Smile! I also Use It With A Coin Palmed! You can do A killer Coin change With A Coin roll That Way! It's The Only Coin flourish I Do! I roll
3 coins as I take them out of the coin purse one at a Time! ( I don't look at them I Just do it!) Then The 4th. coin Has A Shell on it! After that thay don't think I would Need ( Or Use) A Shell Smile! t's A great sell!

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Curtis Kam
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I have used the coin roll as David suggests. The fact that the coin roll suggests skill on your part does not weaken the deception when skill is not the method. In fact, it can be the easiest way to take the audience by the hand as you lead them down the garden path.

i.e., back when I used to use a gaff for coins across, I would always reveal the arrival of the first coin by rolling it across the fingers, suggesting that the transit of the coin was also somehow an act of skill.

Also, the rolling of a coin can serve as an acquitment. It can be used to show the front and back of the hands empty, and when a coin is rolled, it sugests that the hand is empty. For elaborations on these ideas, see "Palms of Steel vol. 1 for my "rolling shuttle" (utilizing the former principle) and Kainoa Harbottle's "Steeplechase discrepancy and Rolling production" (a fine example of the latter).

Kainoa is a great advocate of the coin roll, and his "Roling Stone" and "Wolverine" from "Cointopia" are good examples of his more recent applications.

The idea of using the coin roll as misdirection for steals was a favorite of Geoffrey Buckingham's. See "It's Easier than you Think", where you will also learn the joys of producing a dozen coins singly from backpalm, and why it's a fun thing to do.
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I use the coin roll to misdirect in one hand to hide what I am doing with my other hand...
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