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So, Astral Enigma is out. This is what I think of it.

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The participant makes random choices in their mind, then she is asked to mix several of these thoughts with their (or someone else’s) birth of date. Even though that the spectator has entire control along this mental process, the mentalist is able to correctly deduce their exact birthday.


Well, this is an amazing piece of work indeed. The method is very simple, yet very powerful and deceptive and is really well covered by the presentation.

I’m glad to say that I had a chance to help a bit in this project but this doesn't mean it's why I'm endorsing it, as my contribution was only script wise, and an additional idea which I thought would be useful for this kind of effect.
Astral Enigma is by far the best birthday divination I’ve ever seen, because it’s so clean, and it makes a lot of sense! If you’ve read Andreu’s “Legion: Name divination” you know what I mean. And by the way, Astral Enigma does not use crib sheets, anagrams, weird formulas, preshow, dual reality, peeks, stooging, nothing! All you need is a spectator with a calculator on his cellphone and you are good to go.

There’s been some speculation about how Astral Enigma is different from “CloudNine”, well, it’s very different. I’m not saying one it’s better than the other, but Andreu’s method is way more simple and easy. You can check it out yourself if you don’t believe me.

To make a long story short, Astral Enigma is very versatile. The method can be applied to a lot of effects and it’s not difficult to learn and do, and when you get the hang of it, it becomes a child’s play.

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Hey Ever,

Thank you for your review.

I still would like a little bit more about what makes this different from CloudNine (which I'm sure it's very different, as you state), if possible.

And also, just out of curiosity, could you elaborate on the fact that "the method can be applied to a lot of effects"?

Thank you!
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Hi, Adrien.

I'm afraid I can't say any more without exposing the method. I'll let Andreu know about your concern so he gives you a proper answer.

About your second question, I meant that the method can be used to create your own effects, apart from Birthday divinations.

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On Nov 25, 2014, Adrien Lochon wrote:
Hey Ever,

Thank you for your review.

I still would like a little bit more about what makes this different from CloudNine (which I'm sure it's very different, as you state), if possible.

And also, just out of curiosity, could you elaborate on the fact that "the method can be applied to a lot of effects"?

Thank you!


Indeed, it's hard to answer this question without exposing the method.

Although you never force any sort of number in here, you're able to deduce birthdays, or if you're creative a lot more stuff.

Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile

Best regards,


- Andreu.
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile

- Andreu.


Cloud 9 was free (or a suggested donation to a good cause). And you divine the year of birth in Cloud 9. That would be one of the major differences?
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile

- Andreu.


Cloud 9 was free (or a suggested donation to a good cause). And you divine the year of birth in Cloud 9. That would be one of the major differences?


Yes, tbh Astral Enigma doesn't really focus on revealing the participant's year.

Also, other important differences would be: less operations / questions, and the principle in use which you can apply to a ton more of effects.

Best,

Andreu.
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Andreu, So was this created off the back of Cloud Nine or is it a completely different method?
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Hi andreu - once a calculator is in play there are so many ways to divine a spectators bday/unlock/pin - any more information you can provide to differentiate this from other ideas already out there?

I never bought legion but I found mindsight to be quite lengthy for certain things (like an object divination) - I'd love to get an idea about it how this plays for the average spectator.
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile



I agree with you: $20 is not expensive for something useful. And what I'm trying to understand is if Astral Enigma will be useful to me. Which I really want, because great as CloudNine is, personally I still find it a bit hard to pull of, although I can see that a more experienced performer could make it look close to the real deal.

Honestly I'm a bit afraid that this will be just a variation of CloudNine or something very similar. And, if so, $20 for a variation of an effect I got for free is pretty expensive, right? Smile
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Andreu, So was this created off the back of Cloud Nine or is it a completely different method?


I didn't even know about Cloudnine when Astral Enigma was finished.

The method is completely different and I already stated the differences before: you can use Astral Enigma for a lot more of prediction or divination effects.

It's an original effect I developed without even reading cloudnine, sure they may have been 'released' at a similar time, it doesn't imply anything.

I don't really see how 20 usd / 12 pounds is expensive for nearly 50 pages of a practical, great effect you can actually perform with minimal questioning, but I respect your opinions.

Still, I consider it a fair price but I wont discuss a lot about this point: as authors we have the right to charge what we think it's worth. Not like this is 500 or something, lol.

Give it a chance and you'll be glad you did as you will learn something new and useful, otherwise you may just go back to perform the same old ideas.

Best,

Andreu.
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Does this need a smartphone to work.
Or an calculator?
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile



I agree with you: $20 is not expensive for something useful. And what I'm trying to understand is if Astral Enigma will be useful to me. Which I really want, because great as CloudNine is, personally I still find it a bit hard to pull of, although I can see that a more experienced performer could make it look close to the real deal.

Honestly I'm a bit afraid that this will be just a variation of CloudNine or something very similar. And, if so, $20 for a variation of an effect I got for free is pretty expensive, right? Smile


Adrien,

Who said it was a variation?

The presentation and method of both are totally different.

In cloud9 you ask spectators a lot of times this question: 'how less is this number compared to this other one?" this kind of fishing is never present in Astral Enigma.

If you don't want to buy it, I fully respect your decision, but there's no need to say Astral Enigma is just a variation of an effect which I didn't even know that existed.

Btw, you can just ignore multiplications for my effect and it's still hard to figure out.. And no forces used at all. Smile

Best regards,

Andreu.
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Andreu,

I didn't meant to imply that your effect is a variation of CloudNine. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. I don't own Astral Enigma so I'm really not in position to state anything of that sort.

I was just trying to say that IF I bought Astral Enigma only to realise that it was close to CloudNine method-wise, then it would not be useful for me. But your post answered all my questions and now I'm even more curious Smile This does sound promising!
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Hi andreu - once a calculator is in play there are so many ways to divine a spectators bday/unlock/pin - any more information you can provide to differentiate this from other ideas already out there?

I never bought legion but I found mindsight to be quite lengthy for certain things (like an object divination) - I'd love to get an idea about it how this plays for the average spectator.


The principle at use is ideal for this and a lot more of effects; this fact in itself is a huge difference to any other effect out there.

Generally, birthday divinations are just... that.

The Astral Enigma methodology is perfect in the use of predictions and a lot more useful mentalism ploys. Smile

Sorry for not being more specific, just can't be very detailed about it without giving away the method.

BTW I'm very proud of MindSight, the effects are top notch and one of my friends told he me has even performed Sentimental over the phone, but that's another story, lol. B*****y system is sort of dead nowadays and I really want it to become important again in regards to Mentalism, as you can do a lot of real miracles with that by itself.

Thanks for your interest,

Andreu.
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Does this need a smartphone to work.
Or an calculator?


Either of those will get the job done. Smile


Andreu.
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile



I agree with you: $20 is not expensive for something useful. And what I'm trying to understand is if Astral Enigma will be useful to me. Which I really want, because great as CloudNine is, personally I still find it a bit hard to pull of, although I can see that a more experienced performer could make it look close to the real deal.

Honestly I'm a bit afraid that this will be just a variation of CloudNine or something very similar. And, if so, $20 for a variation of an effect I got for free is pretty expensive, right? Smile


In cloud9 you ask spectators a lot of times this question: 'how less is this number compared to this other one?" this kind of fishing is never present in Astral Enigma.



Let me say that I'm sure Andreu's method is original and different to mine so it wouldn't be a variation, though his above statement isn't exactly accurate. I ask the first time "By how much, to what degree?" And subsequently simply ask "To what degree?" There are actually only three question phases in total and the 'fishing' relies on an excellent principle by Michael Murray. And at no time does it feel like math is the key to the divination of the birthdate.

At any rate, it appears that the timing of my sharing CloudNine unfortunately conflicted with Andreu's release. It isn't fair to compare his work to mine before anyone has had a chance to review it.

Best,

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I bought this, it IS clever but it does feel quite mathematical to me. In addition, the spectator does have to keep track of a few seperate things, the book advises he/she write them down on a pad if I'm not mistaken.

All in all another idea to add to the toolbox. There is some clever thinking on how to make this all seem part of a numerology presentation.
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I bought this, it IS clever but it does feel quite mathematical to me. In addition, the spectator does have to keep track of a few seperate things, the book advises he/she write them down on a pad if I'm not mistaken.

All in all another idea to add to the toolbox. There is some clever thinking on how to make this all seem part of a numerology presentation.


Hey Dinamix, thanks a lot for your review, it's honest. Smile

Yes, like you mention, the spectator has to keep track of some things, but not a lot.

All in all, I hope you've gotten something useful out of Astral Enigma, and thanks a lot for supporting the ideas.. Cool!

Best regards,


Andreu.
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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile



I agree with you: $20 is not expensive for something useful. And what I'm trying to understand is if Astral Enigma will be useful to me. Which I really want, because great as CloudNine is, personally I still find it a bit hard to pull of, although I can see that a more experienced performer could make it look close to the real deal.

Honestly I'm a bit afraid that this will be just a variation of CloudNine or something very similar. And, if so, $20 for a variation of an effect I got for free is pretty expensive, right? Smile


In cloud9 you ask spectators a lot of times this question: 'how less is this number compared to this other one?" this kind of fishing is never present in Astral Enigma.



Let me say that I'm sure Andreu's method is original and different to mine so it wouldn't be a variation, though his above statement isn't exactly accurate. I ask the first time "By how much, to what degree?" And subsequently simply ask "To what degree?" There are actually only three question phases in total and the 'fishing' relies on an excellent principle by Michael Murray. And at no time does it feel like math is the key to the divination of the birthdate.

At any rate, it appears that the timing of my sharing CloudNine unfortunately conflicted with Andreu's release. It isn't fair to compare his work to mine before anyone has had a chance to review it.

Best,

Atlas


Also if you lead into CloudNine from a star sign revelation then the question is asked only twice and is fully justified within the context of a numerology reading. If you have even basic reading skills the presentation is engaging even without revealing the exact date of birth including the year. You could actually use CloudNine to get o*e a***d under the guise of giving a numerology reading. You could then use the information as the final part of mental epic or Richard Osterlind's AI.

One of the great things about CloudNine is that they never tell you the numbers, these only exist in their head and this prevents it ever seeming like a maths trick. As far as the math is concerned they use the two easiest numbers to multiply by, 1 and 9 and so most can do this in their head, even my 11 year old knows his 9 times table.

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Sorry I can't really give any more details, for $20 it's not expensive for something useful - birthday divinations are around $35 or more. Smile



I agree with you: $20 is not expensive for something useful. And what I'm trying to understand is if Astral Enigma will be useful to me. Which I really want, because great as CloudNine is, personally I still find it a bit hard to pull of, although I can see that a more experienced performer could make it look close to the real deal.

Honestly I'm a bit afraid that this will be just a variation of CloudNine or something very similar. And, if so, $20 for a variation of an effect I got for free is pretty expensive, right? Smile


In cloud9 you ask spectators a lot of times this question: 'how less is this number compared to this other one?" this kind of fishing is never present in Astral Enigma.



Let me say that I'm sure Andreu's method is original and different to mine so it wouldn't be a variation, though his above statement isn't exactly accurate. I ask the first time "By how much, to what degree?" And subsequently simply ask "To what degree?" There are actually only three question phases in total and the 'fishing' relies on an excellent principle by Michael Murray. And at no time does it feel like math is the key to the divination of the birthdate.

At any rate, it appears that the timing of my sharing CloudNine unfortunately conflicted with Andreu's release. It isn't fair to compare his work to mine before anyone has had a chance to review it.

Best,

Atlas


Also if you lead into CloudNine from a star sign revelation then the question is asked only twice and is fully justified within the context of a numerology reading. If you have even basic reading skills the presentation is engaging even without revealing the exact date of birth including the year. You could actually use CloudNine to get o*e a***d under the guise of giving a numerology reading. You could then use the information as the final part of mental epic or Richard Osterlind's AI.

One of the great things about CloudNine is that they never tell you the numbers, these only exist in their head and this prevents it ever seeming like a maths trick. As far as the math is concerned they use the two easiest numbers to multiply by, 1 and 9 and so most can do this in their head, even my 11 year old knows his 9 times table.

Mark


Cool, but it's still not my cup of tea. Smile

Why is multiplication something mandatory?

I insist, you can perform Astral Enigma without the need of it.

Just 2 very different approaches, Looch told me he really liked both effects btw. Smile

Thanks,


Andreu.
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