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Phoenicis New user 77 Posts |
I'm an amateur, mostly card, magician who performs for friends at dinner parties. Over the past year or so I've been table strolling at a few of my company events and very much enjoy it. The reason for my post is that I've been asked to perform a short stage routine for my company to an audience of around 150 people in January. This excites me and terrifies me. I don't think any of my card effects would play in that setting so I'd be very grateful for your suggestions.
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Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
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On Nov 28, 2014, Phoenicis wrote: What a thrill You know, what David Williamson can do to a simple "pick a card - here it is" type of routine? He makes it play very big and peppers it with his own remarkable and hilarious presentation. On the other hand : if you took that engagement and you do not know, what to perform, I think you're ****ed. sorry Don't know what else to say |
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Magical Dimensions Inner circle 5001 Posts |
If you have no idea of what to do, then simply you are not ready. There is hope, but that is for you to figure out, not us. Think simple and go from there.
Best Ray |
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Phoenicis New user 77 Posts |
Thanks for your replies. I have some ideas that would work - a blindfold TV-screen image to mind effect (based on tele****) and I've also devised my own two-spectator drawing duplication. Having said that I'm not a mentalist and am just respectfully asking for your views on effects to give me some more ideas.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
I honestly think you would be better to stick to what you know. Mentalism is a completely different mind-set and skill-set from most card magic.
Check out Paul Daniels Bravura box set for excellent examples of how to make card effects play on stage for large audiences. And break a leg! |
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1534 Posts |
A lot of card magic can be adapted to stage, just think about it a little bit and you'll find a way.
But I would say that you are not ready for that. You better turn down that show and practice until you are able to do a show without doubt. I wish you luck in every aspect of your life.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
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On Nov 28, 2014, Gourmet wrote: LOL! I believe you said it all sir. Especially the ****ed part. Nothing more needs to me said. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
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On Nov 28, 2014, Martin Pulman wrote: Perhaps he should perform Fair Play ehhh Martin? J |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2014, John C wrote: I wouldn't recommend that. I would say it needs a strong mentalism presentation to hit hard. |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
Why ALWAYS separate magic and mentalism... ? They are very closely related.
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
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On Nov 30, 2014, doriancaudal wrote: In their basic concept, yes. Both work with mysterious phenomena, but sadly in practice most magicians aren´t real creators of magic. For that reason we separate with emphasis the difference. We still defend the inner power of properly performed Mentalism/Psychic Entertainment. Best
Pablo
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
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On Nov 30, 2014, Amirá wrote: Or most mentalists are not real creators of wonder and amazement (write this here, hummm I see, I see, a dog!)... you can say it this way also. That is why both magic and mentalism HAVE to be LINKED. Most people who say "We cannot mix magic and mentalism" don't know what they are talking about, and generally don't have a real audience to perform for. This false "debate" is only seen from the perspective of magicians and mentalists, who have a pre-conceived idea about magic or about mentalism, which they oppose without realizing that other approaches exist. Magic and mentalism are intimately mixed, and I think that people who say magic/mentalism have to be separated lack a lot of imagination in order to create an alternative, which is quite sad imho.
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
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On Nov 30, 2014, doriancaudal wrote: Dorian: Of course that other approaches exist. At the end of the day, every person has a different approach of what they want to do and how the achieve that goal. I do my own work, you are doing your own, but we can establish some basic concept, and at the core of that basic concepts Magic are Mentalism has similarities but also different aspects. Surely in a show of a competent performer Magic and Mentalism can be together, but in my opinion, not mixed in terms of understanding the differences between them. Best
Pablo
Performer and Author Mentalism Center: The best online space to get quality Mentalism www.mentalismcenter.com Arkanosophy: The Boutique for Mystery Performers www.arkanosophy.com |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Of course you can mix them, if that is to your taste.
I mean, you can have ice cream on your pizza if you want. They're both food after all. |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
Well, I would not compare magic and mentalism with pizza and ice cream...
In the literature, in movies, etc, you will find many examples where characters have mixed magic-mentalism powers. Imho it's not good to be stubborn and "only on one side : magic OR mentalism", both can be / live together in the way we perform our Art.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Of course they mix in literature and film. They are fiction. In the 21st century the vast majority of people in "civilised" society no longer believe in magic. They do not believe the lady has been sawn in half; they do not believe the coins have actually transported through space; they do not believe that David Copperfield can fly.
But many of them do believe that psychic powers exist; many do believe that people can read minds; many do believe that behaviour can be influenced; many do believe that the future can be predicted. It is in that shadowy area of possible reality that mentalism exists. If you mix in effects that the audience know for certain are not real, they will assume everything you do thereafter is also not real. And the power of mentalism as an art is lost. But as I say; put ice cream on your pizza if you wish. Maybe you are culinarian enough to make it work. I think it ruins the flavour of both. |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
I am french, so very culinarian but not enough to mix pizza and ice-cream though... !
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Gourmet Loyal user 289 Posts |
Elsewhere, Craig Browning put it this way :
"Magic suspends disbelief but mentalism INVOKES belief. " I guess the op can perform as much and as strong as he wants, he will be perceived as doing" just" magic tricks. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Dorian- Magic and mental magic are very closely related- they're the same thing actually.
I've written my views on the never ending debate so many times, that the best I can do here is quote myself. The following is adapted from my book, "The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy, Volume 2: Fundamentals." Quote: The first thing that an aspiring mentalist needs to know is that there is a very real difference between mentalism as presented by mentalists and mental magic as demonstrated by magicians. While their methods and devices are often similar, the mentalist is able to employ certain psychological techniques unavailable to the magician. |
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davidmag Regular user 195 Posts |
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...
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