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On Dec 1, 2014, davidmag wrote:
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...


Your guess is wrong then... As I said to Bob in another thread, I agree with what he said in this text.
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On Dec 1, 2014, davidmag wrote:
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...


Your guess is wrong then... As I said to Bob in another thread, I agree with what he said in this text.


Well mister you said that most people who say "We cannot mix magic and mentalism" don't know what they are talking about, and generally don't have a real audience to perform for!
That means that if one perform Vanishing Bandana and Sneak Thief in one act is O.K. with you? I guess you are totally wrong... Or am I missing something?
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On Dec 1, 2014, davidmag wrote:
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...


Your guess is wrong then... As I said to Bob in another thread, I agree with what he said in this text.


Well mister you said that most people who say "We cannot mix magic and mentalism" don't know what they are talking about, and generally don't have a real audience to perform for!
That means that if one perform Vanishing Bandana and Sneak Thief in one act is O.K. with you? I guess you are totally wrong... Or am I missing something?


I NEVER EVER said that it is OK to perform Vanishing Bandana and Sneak Thief in one act, which would be totally silly imho...

Re-read my post, I was talking more generally, in terms of other dimensions, and not being stuck to magic and mentalism only. I think we miss so many opportunities when building a such "strong" barrier between both. Look into books, movies, science, etc. and you will see that it's possible to mix them.

Or stay blind.
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On Dec 1, 2014, davidmag wrote:
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...


Bob words are spot on.

In our school of thought, we sacrifice the option of performing several magical feats to keep or credibility factor alive. Less is more.

Hopefully magicians can be , at least open to the notion of Mentalism being not just a "branch of magic", rather a completely different tree, but in a practical manner, this inner discussion that we have has almost no impact in our audiences. A mediocre magician who says that is doing "Mentalism" without understanding the concept with proper perspective, will still create "tricks with mental flavor", and audiences gets that.

They can discern between a clever trickster and someone who really can read minds on stage.



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On Dec 1, 2014, davidmag wrote:
Bob very well written...All magicians should read this. It's sad thing that some of them just don't get it. I guess Dorian is one of them...


Your guess is wrong then... As I said to Bob in another thread, I agree with what he said in this text.


Well mister you said that most people who say "We cannot mix magic and mentalism" don't know what they are talking about, and generally don't have a real audience to perform for!
That means that if one perform Vanishing Bandana and Sneak Thief in one act is O.K. with you? I guess you are totally wrong... Or am I missing something?




I NEVER EVER said that it is OK to perform Vanishing Bandana and Sneak Thief in one act, which would be totally silly imho...

Re-read my post, I was talking more generally, in terms of other dimensions, and not being stuck to magic and mentalism only. I think we miss so many opportunities when building a such "strong" barrier between both. Look into books, movies, science, etc. and you will see that it's possible to mix them.

Or stay blind.


Look man, everybody who is 5 minutes in magic (or mentalism) knows that magic and mentalism are very related or linked together if you will. That is not an issue at all. Also mixing principles,methods,techniques,etc. of those two to achieve amazement isn't an issue. All I'm saying is that vanishing,penetration,transformation and telepathy,precognition,divination,clairvoyance are different worlds. I would never mix them.
Or maybe I'm blind...
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Thanks to everyone who responded with their suggestions - all apart from you John C - I found your comments juvenile, especially talking about me in the third person while offering no substantive encouragement or advice. My strong advice to you for 2015 John C is grow up and learn to help those around you.
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Thanks to everyone who responded with their suggestions - all apart from you John C - I found your comments juvenile, especially talking about me in the third person while offering no substantive encouragement or advice. My strong advice to you for 2015 John C is grow up and learn to help those around you.


Rats! Foiled again.

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I thought I'd give you an update. I decided to go ahead with the performance and have to say I'm glad I did. The performance itself went well - lots of audience laughs, good volunteer participation on stage, and more than a few "how on earth did you do that" in the bar afterwards. Not bad, considering it was my first live stage performance. I learned a lot from the experience - getting prop-angles right; connecting with an audience when you can't see them (really! the stage lights reflected back off the 'dry ice' smoke so much that whilst they could see me fine, I could only vaguely make out shapes); and building anticipation during a multi-part routine. The event was filmed for corporate promotion so I'm sure I'll learn more about where I can improve once I watch it back.

A big thank you to everyone in this thread, and for the many private messages of support. Also a huge thanks to David Penn for Mystery Solved - this played a significant part in the routine.
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Well done mate, its onwards and upwards from now on.
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