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Hi ..
I just bought a magic wand with brass ends to use with my cups and balls routine. Cups and balls is something I want to master and move forward with so I am also looking at getting some Johnson Cups or James Riser cups ( if he can spin some soon ). But for now I am working with aluminum cups. Now when I do any kind of tapping on the aluminum cups they dent / mark / scratch a little. Now it is clear to me that it is because they are aluminum Cups but will the copper cups get damaged with the wand or do I need a different kind of wand maybe one with rubber tips?

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On a previous post in another thread, Bill Palmer recommends wood or plastic tips

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I use a wooden wand which I got from a wood craftsman in China. It has got beautiful dragon pattern craved throughout the whole wand. It really matches with copper cups. I got about 3 of them. I think they are very unique and my audiences love the wand too. They always ask me to show them the wand after my cups and balls performance. Smile
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I have actually seen people use the handle of a carved backscratcher as a magic wand. Cut off the little hand, and it makes a cool wand.
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Charlie Miller used to love to use the white cardboard tube that comes with wire coathangers.

A wooden stick or a bamboo section is a great wand. I made up a batch of bamboo wands from old cheap canes and various bits of bamboo.

There are some high end expensive wands with non metal tips that will not dent your cups. Smile
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A chop stick is always interesting to use, they come in wood and plastic.

A nice clear plastic wand came with my Don Alan Bowl Routine I bought 40 years ago. The bagel did not last as long as the wand.

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One thing you might think about using is a long piece of clear acrylic. You can get a 6 foot length of acrylic from your local plastics store for a few dollars, cut off what you want to use for a wand, and keep the rest for future projects.
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Thanks for your answers. now the question is where can I find some of these wooden wands at? Anyone have any links?

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Have a look at
http://www.roykueppers.com/Legendary/prod05.htm
He also makes custom wands.

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Curtis Kam uses an clear acrylic wand that looks nice.
Anyone know where to get them?



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There are some great wands on the market, but there's something about making your own that's very special. Perhaps more magical as cheesy as that sounds.

Wooden and acrylic wands are pretty easy to make if you've got a few minutes. Just get a 1/2 or 5/8 inch dowel in the medium you like (Bill mention using acrylic, or you can use oak, maple, iron wood, etc.). Then cut to the length you desire. A small tooth blade cuts acrylic pretty well by the well (read hack saw or coping saw). Better still if you have a band saw do it on that. Usually it's recommended that wands be the length of your forarm. However, I think that's mainly for something like Cellini's disappearing wand (Wand of Merlin) effect. Otherwise, pick the length you like. If your using wood, sand it well, carve any designs you like, stain it, and finish it with a coat or two on tung oil.

I've made several from oak that have turned out nice. Two I've left natural, carved "tips" into the ends (ala the wand that came with my phoenix cups) and finished it with two coats of tung oil. Another I carve tips into and left them natural and stain the middle section a dark mahogony. Cutting notches do delineate the tips also prevents the stain from bleeding into areas you don't want it. I've cut them approximately 14".

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On 2004-01-31 11:06, mystre71 wrote:
Curtis Kam uses an clear acrylic wand that looks nice.
Anyone know where to get them?



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See my previous post. You can polish the ends of the rod with a piece of sandpaper after you cut it. Then use finer and finer sandpaper to get it close to shiny. Finally, use acetone (in a VERY well-ventilated area) as your last polish.

ANY plastics supplier can get the rod for you. It may not actually be acrylic, it may be one of the other clear plastics, but your audience will never know the difference.

I also have a glass wand, but it is not suitable -- too hard.
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I believe that repeated use with even plastic or wood tips may eventually damage the finish even on the highly polished and high quality Paul Fox cups.

I like the idea of rubber tips. Does anyone know if a quality wand with rubber tips has been made?

Any tips on where to find these?

If so,
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It depends entirely upon the wood and the plastic in question. For example, nylon can be fairly soft. Some woods are also reasonably soft. Some kinds of rubber are fairly hard -- ebonite, which is used for bowling balls, can damage a cup. Also, rubber can, and usually does, contain sulfur, which will cause your cups to tarnish.

If you POUND on the cup with the wand, of course you will damage it. But the Phoenix cups are made of copper (actually bronze, as is the case with the Penguin cups), and the iron wood wand which comes with them doesn't hurt them unless you really whang away at them.

It doesn't take much of a hit with a metal tipped wand to scratch a copper cup. See James Riser's site for details on this.

http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/Cup/Dings.html
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I used a hand made wand for years, still like it. It was made from a parakeet perch I bought at Woolworths (Old timers remember Woolworths) To day think -Walmart.

Anyway it had a comfortable oval shape which not only felt good to hold but would not roll off the table. Today I only use a wand for my Benson Bowl Routine, and it is a piece from an end table. Nice sized dowel that tapers at the ends, has a good weight and feel to it.
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Thanks for the pertinent article on Jim Riser's site. I wish I had read this years ago.

Unfortunately, I have a set of, what were once, very elegant looking Paul Fox cups. One of the three silver cups now has serious knick marks along the top edge. Also the inside of each cup is scratched and gray. They still look pretty enough (to my audience), but I feel the marks from time to time and wish I could have the cups re-finished (inside and out).

Does anyone know of a company that will refurbish Paul Fox cups? If so, please send any related info or links.

Thanks so much.
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If they are solid silver, you might be able to get a jeweler to polish them for you. If they are plated, you will probably need to have them polished and re-plated. I don't know whether Jim Riser does this; however, it can't hurt to ask whether he knows someone in the cup biz who can do it.
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On 2004-01-31 04:27, richardl wrote:
Thanks for your answers. now the question is where can I find some of these wooden wands at? Anyone have any links?

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richard

Wands can be found nearly everywhere. In a similar thread on wands I mentioned that you can single ended wands from http://www.hpwizardstore.com/

For my uses, they fit in much better than the "standard" black with white tips, and being all wood I have no problems with denting anything but the wand itself, and if that happens it just adds some "character" to the wand.
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I forgot to mention the L.A. "Street Wands". You get a piece of dowel (3/8-inch diameter) go out into the street and pick up two empty .38 calibre shells. Nice brass ones will shine up easily. Then jam them onto the ends of the dowel and you are set.
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A dowel... some of us use parakeet perches!

I'm confused... are folks tapping the cups with the wand? Doesn't that discharge the magic?

The idea was to use the wand to open a portal through which the ball passes. You set up the portals in the cups when you do the wand through cup...right?

My cups would be crushed if they got smacked by a wand. And I'd probably have to take the wand back to get it recharged too.
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