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Iam looking for some spectator as mindreader effects..(spectator reads the mind from anotherone)

I like cerebro, but I do not have it with me in all situations...

I know some dual reality tricks...from Peter turner, luke jermay, but iam not sure if they work in small Groups... i'Ve tried some on stage... reaction was very good...but in
small Groups....

What are your recommendations?

sorry for my english
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A favourite of mine is Marc Spelmann's handling of Peter Nardi's Mind Control. The classic Punx Test is another good one. My own approach to spectator reading another spectator's thoughts is based my subtle cuing device known as Impulse which will facilitate all sorts of this type of effect.

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I have done an effect for 50+ years that I now call "Falcon Eye" because of the story line. The effect is the same.

One Volunteer Assistant reads the mind of the other as you demonstrate how to increase visual and perceptual acuity.

Some I have sent this to over the years are afraid since one VA is aware of the method at the end -- but never tells -- if there are even consciously aware.

Thus, if you think you might fail you will. If you know you will not then you always succeed. This is Mentalism at its best IMHO.

I have had people come up 20 years later and comment on the effect in which they took part -- only remembering that "just once" they were able to read another person's mind.

For the other VA and the entire audience the results are spectacular -- aided by the antics of the VA's who are the hero's of the effect.

If you wish to perform it send a request to gusarimagic@comcast.net. Do not respond is you only wish to try it. Some simple prop construction required depending on the story told.
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If you give it a think there are quite a few effects you can adapt as "spectator as mindreader", so you might have them already. For instance, something as simple as the ID where you create a target card in one deck and have the subject go through another deck and stop at any card they feel right about, they must go with a feeling, a psychic sense, and in the end they will successfuly be able to match your target!
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Ted Lesley has a great "Spectator as Mindreader" on Cabaret Mindreading, and Opening Minds by Colin Mcleod has a subtle & clever variation.
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Pete Turner's Your Intuition and iunlockyourmind pro are my go to spectator as mind reader effects.

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On Dec 3, 2014, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Pete Turner's Your Intuition and iunlockyourmind pro are my go to spectator as mind reader effects.

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iULYM Pro is so strong plus you get very valuable information. It never fails to get a wow reaction.

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IMO, there's no such thing, generally speaking, as a good spectator as mind reader effect. The only ones I would use (sparingly) are those in which it is clear that it is the mentalist who is projecting the answers into the participant's mind or is otherwise channeling his own abilities to him/her.
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On Dec 3, 2014, mastermindreader wrote:
IMO, there's no such thing, generally speaking, as a good spectator as mind reader effect. The only ones I would use (sparingly) are those in which it is clear that it is the mentalist who is projecting the answers into the participant's mind or is otherwise channeling his own abilities to him/her.


I agree that most spectator as mind reader routines don't make sense and yet I don't agree that for one to be good it has to have one of the 2 mentioned premises.
With that in mind, I still mostly do it so that the spectator guesses what I'm thinking of (at least one effect like that in almost every set I do)
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I always loved Chan Canasta's approach where he seems to be leading the participant's thoughts down an inevitable path. Most 'spectator as mind reader' effects can easily be framed as 'performer as influencer' effects - if influencer is actually a word?
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My preferred effect in this category is my own "Bob's Your Uncle". It's clean-handling, gimmick-free, impromptu, and plays very strong.
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That would make the participant an "influencee." (Not to be confused with "influenza," which actually requires breathing on the participant.)
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Colin McCleod does a cool one projecting a thought of card on his Penguin Lecture.
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There is also the classic Out-of-this-world (spectator as clairvoyant but if you are looking at the card before he decides between red and black, it becomes spectator as mind reader... (luke jermay, if I am not mistaken, as a variation based on genuine influence in building blocks))
With a good theme (and maybe something else than playng cards), it becomes most certainly the most powerfull effect of this category Smile
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Any prediction effect.

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Isn't all Contact Mindreading like Helstromism a "the spectator has the power" demonstration? You certainly aren't explaining muscle-reading or blaming audience influence.
So, it is natural to infer that the spectator is guiding you with "thought impression" only enhanced by physical contact.

In those rare occasions where you can drop their hand and finish the action without contact it is not "I read their mind," but "they sent me a clear picture.

My point is that having a spectator "send" a message as opposed to "reading their mind" might qualify as the type of effect you are looking for.

Having one spectator send a message to another without the performer (you) "influencing" the transmission is difficult to pull off -- and probably unwise if you want to make a living as Bob indicated above.

Thus, while I have several effects that would qualify here, I am not recommending that anyone wishing to be known as a Mentalist should perform them. i.e. there is little profit in making the spectator a hero.

Interestingly, there can be great profit in Conjury
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there is little profit in making the spectator a hero.


A good point, Kreskin closed is out of this world with a prediction of what had happened including the mistakes of his spectators : an interresing way to close such demonstration on a climax... Smile
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On Dec 4, 2014, funsway wrote:

My point is that having a spectator "send" a message as opposed to "reading their mind" might qualify as the type of effect you are looking for.


Didn't know there a diffrence, do people actually perform the "Mind reading" part without the "Sending" part?
Ow, that's an awful thought...
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Chris Philpott's 100th Monkey can suit this type of scenario
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If you think about it, mindreading is a composite of intuitive ability and mental influence. Together they form two sides of the mental coin. As performers, we demonstrate enhanced intuitive and influence abilities. The pair can flow in either direction; either the performer may be sufficiently intuitive to comprehend even the slightest influence from a participant, or the participant may be influenced through the enhanced mental ability of the performer. In this context, the spectator as mindreader premise can be presented as influence provided the performer might reasonably be aware of the information involved. The premise is flawed otherwise.

I believe some of the confusion here arises from a lack of clarity as to what is being performed and a lack of consistency in the internal script of the performer. For these same reasons, it is difficult to discuss these issues in unspecified general terms.
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