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Don't know if my eyes are just getting old, but I can't seem to process p***s quickly enough to not telegraph what I'm doing. I've seen so many pros do it so fast and seamlessly that I'm afraid it's just me. So, practice makes perfect, or, you have it or you don't?
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Hi Jason. There are other techniques which are not dependent in a quick p**k. What about a classic CT? Or Cassidy´s bi**t techniques from his work?

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Thanks, Pablo. I do use several other techniques, sometimes because I have to. Just hoping to add this particular tool to my arsenal.
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Hi Jason,

Do you have a general problem with the process or can just not read some words, one word or are you only able to identify pictures?
But practice helps at least a bit.
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Don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner, but I'm thinking it may be physiologically tied to nervousness. When I used to get panic attacks one of my main symptoms was extreme tunnel vision. Often when I try a p**k now it's just blurry enough to not be decipherable.
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Use my delayed p*** approach. It will give you all the time in the world. Glasses might help as well.
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Thanks Bob, I'll take a look at your approach. I had considered my glasses as the culprit, but they are clean and my prescription is up-to-date. Smile Also have the same issue when wearing my contact lenses.
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I had the same problem. I solved it by getting bi-focals.
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Yesterday I was re-reading the Steps. Some interesting details are highlighted in there in the relevant chapter , including what to say to the participant and when to actually do the important business. Options include walking away whilst the participant destroys the paper, or asking the spec to close their eyes and concentrate!
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On Jan 17, 2015, signal2noise wrote:
Don't know if my eyes are just getting old, but I can't seem to process p***s quickly enough to not telegraph what I'm doing. I've seen so many pros do it so fast and seamlessly that I'm afraid it's just me. So, practice makes perfect, or, you have it or you don't?


There are always many ways around any problem. My advice would be to learn as many different approaches/methods as you can and pick one that works well for you. Then hide the action in the natural flow of your effect.

As Bob mentioned, the "delayed" approach is invaluable and HIGHLY DECEPTIVE! I use a delay for one of my effects where I could spend 5 seconds there if I wanted. Because of the way I've built it into the routine, it's entirely natural and COMPLETELY INVISIBLE... thanks to the delay.
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Signal, when you see the pro's do it, they don't strive to do it quickly - on the contrary, they do it to match the pace of the rest of the routine. You have to remember as well that when you are doing it yourself in the moment it seems slower than it would to everyone else watching. A good analogy is like dropping a piece of toast, when you drop it, it seems to fall slowly, to everyone else watching it happens in a split second (that is the same with watching the pros). If you slow the routine down (around the principle), relax and then take your time to get what you need, it will never stand out as being odd and will stand out as being different to the rest of the routine. Get anything with Bob Cassidy's name on it, he totally took things to a new level.

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I believe that there are two critical elements in the management of surreptitious viewing, both of which must be taken into account.

The first is eye management. The human perceptual system is extremely effective at detecting eye movement (knowing almost instantly, for example, when people across a room are looking at you). Consequently, we must pay particular attention to any necessary covert eye movements, arranging the script, actions, blocking, and other elements as needed to perfectly account for same. This is why a tear/p*** is more easily made deceptive than a p*** alone: it is simpler to make one action look like another action than make an action look like nothing at all.

The second is choice of moment. There are times in a procedure that are more likely than others to be scrutinized by onlookers. During the first couple of tears of a billet, for example. So choose a tear that doesn't require the p*** to be made so early in the procedure, one that allows a postponement until after suspicions have been alleviated. (This is the rationale for the delayed read championed by Bob. Putting the read off until substantially later doesn't always fit with the demands of an effect, but I agree that the tear that you choose should definitely offer this capability as an option.)

It's also important to learn not to look. If you're not in the process of p***ing, your eyes should be well averted from your fingers. Look away. Look at the participant. Learn your actions well enough that you do not need to visually monitor them. Appreciate that dabblers practice until they get it right, but professionals practice until they can't get it wrong.
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On Jan 17, 2015, signal2noise wrote:
Don't know if my eyes are just getting old, but I can't seem to process p***s quickly enough to not telegraph what I'm doing. I've seen so many pros do it so fast and seamlessly that I'm afraid it's just me. So, practice makes perfect, or, you have it or you don't?


There are always many ways around any problem. My advice would be to learn as many different approaches/methods as you can and pick one that works well for you. Then hide the action in the natural flow of your effect.

As Bob mentioned, the "delayed" approach is invaluable and HIGHLY DECEPTIVE! I use a delay for one of my effects where I could spend 5 seconds there if I wanted. Because of the way I've built it into the routine, it's entirely natural and COMPLETELY INVISIBLE... thanks to the delay.


And after the business, you can say something like, "Okay, let's begin the experiment" (also a Corinda line!)
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Use my delayed p*** approach. It will give you all the time in the world. Glasses might help as well.


This sounds interesting, where did you publish this? As somehow I can see what I need to see but my brain just doesn't registers it very fast...
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The technique is used in both my 4th Dimensional Telepathy and Name and Place routines. You also find it in "A Delayed Peek and Read." All of these are in "The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy." They were also explained in my Penguin lecture, my Billet Killers download and in the Name and Place download, also from Penguin.

It's been one of my core techniques for decades and is mentioned in many of my other works as well. It was first described by Annemann and can be found in The Jinx as well as in Practical Mental effects. It is a standard technique that I've simply applied more broadly to other effects.
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Ah great! Many dutch mentalists have been recommending Billet Killers, so I'm getting that then. Always good to support the masters
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Ddyment - "it is simpler to make one action look like another action than make an action look like nothing at all". I love this comment! So true.

And as others have eluded, pacing is everything. Never rush to do an action that isn't even expected, or others may sense your trepidation. Always execute on the off-beat when the heat isn't on you.

And in my case with age, contact lenses and paying more attention to lighting conditions made all the difference.

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Bob I'm with you on the delay technique. Pretty much all I've ever used.

C.J. mentioned the Steps. I've often gold my students and others who come tom wanting to talk mentalism to study the presentation of the ct in the Steps. There is a much to learn there. If they will not dig for those simple distinctions I refuse to have a conversation on the topic. Many get upset with me and just think using want to help/share. But a believe a thorough understanding of principals is widely applicable. That has been my experience in any case.

And Bob, other than those few sources where have you caught that technique? Smile
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Bob I'm with you on the delay technique. Pretty much all I've ever used.

C.J. mentioned the Steps. I've often gold my students and others who come tom wanting to talk mentalism to study the presentation of the ct in the Steps. There is a much to learn there. If they will not dig for those simple distinctions I refuse to have a conversation on the topic. Many get upset with me and just think using want to help/share. But a believe a thorough understanding of principals is widely applicable. That has been my experience in any case.

And Bob, other than those few sources where have you caught that technique? Smile
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Try Scott Creasey's DIY I-Pad. It is easy and cheap to make, easy to see and easy to peek. http://scottcreasey.com
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