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Thinking of making a rice bowl set from scratch. Any advice on how thick to make the disk for a set of standard chinese rice bowls? (A la Jade)
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If it bulges you're busted. It's more a question of rigidity.

(Well this sounds like it's going somewhere it shouldn't!) Smile Smile

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Has anyone ever tried to make the gimmick from a thin piece of glass? Just thinking out loud.
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Has anyone ever tried to make the gimmick from a thin piece of glass? Just thinking out loud.

For ease of construction and to avoid cut fingers I'll be sticking with plexiglass. Just trying to get an idea of what thickness to buy.
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It wasn't a suggestion. It was a question. Sorry for the confusion.
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Bill Tarr 1977 101 Easy to do Magic Tricks, pp. 28-31 has instructions on how to make a set. He suggests about 3/64ths for the disk.
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It wasn't a suggestion. It was a question. Sorry for the confusion.

No confusion at all. But the down side of a glass disk is it's fagility and the lack of a tupperware type of suction seal in my mind. But then again I've only used the brahmin rice bowls so far, so I'm merely guessing here.
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Bill Tarr 1977 101 Easy to do Magic Tricks, pp. 28-31 has instructions on how to make a set. He suggests about 3/64ths for the disk.

Thanks lin, that's what I'll start with then.
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I found clear plastic sheets at a hobby shop that caters to train enthusiast, they had several thicknesses of sheets. For further safety during performance coat with a very thin layer of Vaseline.

What type of bowl are you going to use, plastic, ceramic, metal?

The lip must be perfectly flat. When making my Hydrostatic glasses, I flatten the lip with a disk grinding wheel stone. Instead of using the edge of the stone, I used the side to get a perfectly flat edge, all at once. For plastic, I just use a sheet of wet and dry sandpaper, then move the glass around on the sandpaper. Sandpaper must be on a perfectly flat surface.
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INTREPID>>>>>

Bill has given you some important information/advice.

You may already know this, but, I'll pass along a VERY IMPORTANT TIP.

Before you place the inverted, loaded bowl on the tray, scatter a few grains of rice where the inverted bowl will 'rest', OR, place a few wooden matches there. If you don't, the disc might adhere to the tray when you pick up the bowl!
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You will find two choices at the big-box stores in a variety of thicknesses and sizes...
Plexiglass (acrylic sheet) aka Lucite, Plexiglas, Perspex, Acrylite
Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) aka Tuffak, Makrolon

You may have to go online to get some of the thinest stuff.

Acrylic is cheaper and will probably meet your needs just as well.
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Bill Tarr 1977 101 Easy to do Magic Tricks, pp. 28-31 has instructions on how to make a set. He suggests about 3/64ths for the disk.

Thanks lin, that's what I'll start with then.


Best of luck! Bill and Dick's excellent advice is repeated in the Bill Tarr book. The book has very good instructions and is cheap and easy to find on Amazon-- possibly it's also available at your local library.
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When I wrote that, I was thinking of Marshal Brodien's 'fiasco" when he was making a TV commercial for a magic kit, about 30 years ago.

He had place the loaded bowl on a table top with NO rice or matches,or ? under it.

As he did the demonstration, he was looking into the camera, and he reached for the inverted loaded bowl. He picked it up, and "it" happened!!!

He kept talking, looking into the camera, and he was trying to "scoop" the spilled water which was a "thin' puddle on the table top!

The camera crew was rolling on the floor. It was HILARIOUS!
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Dick and Bill, I love your advice and especially your stories. Thank you!

Bill, the perfectly flat lip was something I wasn't aware until you mensioned it here. That might have a big influence on the type of bowls and whether I can even make a go of this. Not sure how I would go about grinding the lip down, unless they sell grinding wheels for drill with a large enough circumference. Instead of ceramic chinese bowls I might take a look at plastic Japanese rice bowls as those would be easier to grind down.

Between the difficultly in making a set and the dangers of perforance, I suspect I might be on the road to learning way the Brahmin bowls are more popular. I'm just not happy with the disruptive rhythm of the Brahmin bowls. Within the past hour, I just read Bruce Elliot's advice on the rice bowls in "Classic Secrets of Magic". He discusses the disc, Brahmin and the Al Baker method. Of the three, his method of choice seems to be the Al Baker method. I do own a set of the Al Baker rice bowls, but because the gimmicks are near impossible to replace if it becomes damage I have not tried that method yet. Has anyone come across a good makeshift replacement for the Al Baker gimmick?
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*learning why
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Bob, I made a set from Bill Tarr's instructions when I was a teen. It was easy. I bought some cheap ceramic oriental bowls and only needed a sheet or two of emery paper to get the flat lip. No special tools required-- just the paper, a flat surface and a little patience.
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I have a set of Baker Bowls, and,a set of P&L Brahmin Bowls (like new. no dents).

If motivated (!) I might be persuaded to say bye bye to either or both.

Joe Stevens "Greater Magic Library" #17 has Charlie Miller doing his routine with the Baker Bowls. I only saw Charlie do it once. --Delightful!
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Intrepid, a little browsing at the local Sears tool department will let you in on the grinding wheel sizes. They have a variety of sizes from 3" to 10", but I see no reason to go over 5". Yes, you can do it with a drill, I bought a cheap plastic stand with a hose clamp to hold the drill upside down. Just attach the wheel and lightly hold the ceramic bowl against the wheel. Simple.

When I was last in the Dollar Store they had some ceramic bowls that looked good to me, multicolor lines around bowls. Very festive looking.

As for the Baker gimmick, I believe a member on the Café can make them, but why not try the clear balloon for the needle through balloon trick 1st. That food wrapping paper that has a sticky side may work as well. Take a trip to the grocery. Then there is just plain cling plastic wrap or dental dame may work as well. The latter may need a rubber band that is the same color as the bowl, or the decoration lines. Just some suggestions.

As far as the waiting time for the Brahmin Bowls, the late Great Richardi used to use the very hard to find, Niffen Tube, to change water to rice or was it rice to water. It gave him the necessary time for the conclusion of the trick.
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Well, the experimenter in me can't resist a good challenge. The advice and tips so far have been golden, and are well appreciated. Thank you Lin, Dick and Bill. Will report on the progress.

Bill, earlier on you asked about ceramic, plastic or metal bowls. In your opinion is ceramic perferable over the others in terms of creating the flat lip or in handling?

- Bob
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It really depends on the bowl design and thickness when it comes to plastic. The ceramic bowls that I seen last summer in the Dollar Store were perfect for the trick. They were very large cereal bowls. If the plastic is thick, then the sanding technique I mentioned would work. You just don't want a plastic bowl that you can squeeze the sides in, in other words not flexible at all.
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