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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
Is Hypnosis some form of Placebo effect? I mean, "What the mind believes, the body experiments" So it would be correct to say that hypnosis is basically a form of placebo effect? What do you think?
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
What is placebo? Nobody really knows. Hypnosis is a way to communicate with the unconscious so therefore it can engineer "placebo" whatever that means. Its more correct to say hypnosis can stimulate the unconscious healing process among other things. If anything placebo is a form of hypnosis. Its a way of communicating with the unconscious. its a way of making suggestions that affect the unconscious.
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
So placebo effect is a form of hypnosis instead of hypnosis a form of placebo? Interesting! well, at least they are connected somehow
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
This is discussing the reality of hypnosis which is not entertainment and as per the rules and guidelines of the forum which I believe is not to be debated here.
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
This thread is not meant to discuss the reality of Hypnosis Mindpro! au contraire, I'm acknowledging it's existence, I'm just curious about hypnosis and the placebo effect.
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
But, in case this is against the rules, Where can I discuss this topic?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
On a hypnosis forum, not an entertainment forum?
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
Roger that.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Half the problem is the discussion is just do boring.
Plus are you looking to discuss or are you looking for an education?
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
Just educational really... I just say discuss answering Mindpro.
But if it's so boring well this is the end of it, thanks.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Are your interests in performing hypnosis or more about just learning about hypnosis?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On Feb 11, 2015, E.E. wrote: The problem is, some of us don't. Which is why these discussions generate a lot of heat and no light.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On Feb 11, 2015, Mindpro wrote: This is a hypnosis section Mindpro. I find it entertaining to discuss it. that's how you become educated or at least one way of becoming educated. I think anyone who uses hypnosis on stage or where ever "should" be interested in the hypnosis element if they want to take it as far as they can. Some might believe hypnosis doesn't exist but Placebo certainly does and can even make physical changes in people. Hypnosis can change eye colour as well as amplify or engineer physical changes in people. Its the amplification of the imagination and physical responses on stage that creates the entertainment. Learning how to master that part is what separates average to very good hypnotic entertainers. Ive seen hypnosis shows where hypnotists get boring staid responses from the subjects perhaps these are the "hypnotists" who don't believe it exists or that its important enough to learn how to use it for maximum entertainment effect. I don't see how you can knock someone for wanting to learn about hypnosis as part of their education as a performer I think more should. A surgeon has to learn about surgery before he can perform it. |
WillBox Regular user 146 Posts |
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On Feb 13, 2015, mindpunisher wrote: I know I'm a little late to this, but I absolutely agree with this. For me, having a passion for hypnosis and a fascination for the human mind in general separates the warm, empathic and down-to-earth style hypnotists from the more closed minded, arrogant, controlling/domineering and sometimes psychopathic ones who unfortunately don't do the industry any favours by tying their work so much to their ego. I also think it makes the former group more effective, maybe they connect more with their subjects because they're genuinely interested in them. I remember Andrew Newton saying of Paul McKenna that he said his audience/subjects were "***s, the lot of them". I'm not sure if that's true or taken out of context, I wouldn't want to judge. Anyhow (E.E. I'm not sure if you're still around? I hope so because I would hate to think you were discouraged from discussion by some of the oddly threatened attitudes in these parts) - I think the association to the placebo effect is a very relevant one, and I often use the example when discussing hypnosis with skeptics. The placebo effect is exactly the same mechanism as harnessed in hypnosis - unconscious response to an accepted belief. If you're familiar with waking hypnosis then you'll know that the formal induction is absolutely unnecessary. Context, expectancy, authority (doctors/scientists), excitation of the imagination, physical sensations/ideomotor movements compounding belief and expectancy - its all the same stuff that feeds into hypnosis (more or less, obviously specifics vary). Believing a blue pill will cure your headache is the same mechanism as a six year old believing they aren't good at maths because their father told them so. Its all about the delivery of beliefs to the unconscious, and eliciting an automatic response that builds and compounds. Dave Elman used to teach a technique for waking hypnosis on children to many doctors, by rubbing a magical fluid on an area of pain and suggesting it would take the pain away. Its the same thing as a placebo. Hypnotic suggestions themselves are also placebos, with specific outcomes suggested in just the same way. Its all about unconscious belief and automatic response. With the feedback of ideomotor effects (all unconscious beliefs manifest somehow) that system becomes an ever spinning loop that can lead to some very powerful results. Similarly, double-blind trials are also relevant to hypnosis. That every medical trial requires one is because of the expectancy-observer effect, where the most subtle expectations and suggestions because of knowledge held by the experimenter (I'm talking non-verbal here) can influence the results of a person's response to a drug/situation. That's how powerful suggestion is. Frankly, with the expectancy-observer effect, demand characteristics (Orne), placebo research, and even priming studies (e.g. John Bargh's work) I'm gobsmacked that hypnosis isn't accepted as an absolute truth by everyone now. Its just become a little lost within other definitions. |
Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I think it's an awesome question .. Placebo effects are basically scientifically unexplainable, just like hypnosis!
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