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Alakazam magic just released "Against All Odds" a lotto prediction routine. Looks interesting and seems somewhat similar to the handling of Cataclysm. Curious what you all thought about it? I like the premise of the routine but feel that not being able to show more of the face up lotto numbers at the start of the routine weakings the handling. I have thought of an alternative solution that could strengthen the begging of the routine. I might be thinking more as a magician than a spectator but would like to hear some thoughts from other Café members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1gJx-5RH8M
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Here is a better performance of the routine from start to finish without all the annoying cut aways.
starts at 23:30 on the Vlog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYoZjtHbRlE
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I think it looks pretty cool. Its a premise people seem to engage with. The cards look nice and the ending is nice and I bet its well taught knowing alakazam; but I cant say I was too keen on the middle part. I know there has to be procedure but I'd prefer something a bit punchier with a bit less dealing etc. I know its designed to demonstrate randomness and fairness and it did all seem very fair; but I think people switch off a bit sometimes where they are not directly involved and there is dealing and choosing etc.

That said; I am sure I'll be proven wrong as I bet there is more than one handling Smile
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Nice premise, but too much dealing and procedure... This does not seem very fair, in the spectator's mind. Why not making him directly SAY or WRITE the numbers he WANTS ? THAT would be real magic Smile
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Personality I prefer Scott Creasy's psi-lotto.

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Any reviews on Scott Creasy's psi-lotto? What type of handling is invloved?
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Would be great if the spec could shuffle beforehand as opposed to a cut. Perhaps using a st*****r deck.
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Looking forward to getting my hands on this!

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On Feb 16, 2015, pegasus wrote:
Would be great if the spec could shuffle beforehand as opposed to a cut. Perhaps using a st*****r deck.


Im sure with some creative thought there are ways to simulate, if not truly, shuffle the deck.
I have some thoughts for ways of achieving that but without knowing the actual method yet can't say for certain.
Once I have the cards in my hands I'll have a better idea what's possible in terms of mixing them.

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Nice premise, but too much dealing and procedure... This does not seem very fair, in the spectator's mind. Why not making him directly SAY or WRITE the numbers he WANTS ? THAT would be real magic Smile


Totally disagree with you there!
Bear in mind that this trick is all about 'predicting the lottery' NOT 'reading the spectator's mind'...there is a big difference!
While you could predict numbers they SAY or WRITE, the effect then becomes more about mind reading or reading THEM specifically than it does with the actual proposed task which is to predict a random lottery!
For me, that theme and task create PERFECT reasoning for both the use of a deck of numbers, but also the procedure!
Yes it's a bit of dealing and cutting but the whole idea is to simulate (like peter suggests in the demo) the lottery machine mixing and selecting random balls.
if you were to TRULY predict the lottery, you would NOT be predicting what somebody writes or says, you would be tuned in to the TV watching as a machine mixes and selects a random pick of numbered balls with absolutely zero personal or psychological preference.
To read or predict a spectator's chosen numbers is therefore NOT how you would really predict the lottery so for me it makes absolute sense to explain to them that if they want to see me predict the lottery we need to recreate the same conditions..hence the deck and the procedure!
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Not a great initial spread and the the minute it was can you cut the deck killed it for me . Bit of a boring dealing effect IMO
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The only lotto numbers that are actually shown in the start of the routine are the lotto numbers he is removing, # 50 - 51 & 52. I wish there were more red herring cards to seemingly show more random lotto ball numbers at the start.
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Unless I'm mistaken he spreads the whole deck both face up and face down on the table, so you must be able to show more than those three cards.
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No other faces are shown, just the white portion of the face and a tad of color of the ball. To me that's where the weakest portion of the routine lies.
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The method is transparent, at least in the close-up version. You could use a Charlier Shuffle to advantage here. This might fool laymen in a close-up situation, although I wouldn't use it in that situation. However, I'd like to see Peter's stand-up version of the routine. All the extra layers that he says he added might make it a killer, and well worth doing. But as a close-up effect, it doesn't do anything for me.

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A similar effect with the exact method was released a few months ago, remember??, but it was mega expensive so it drifted out of sight on the forum quickly. Anyone recall the name???
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NumberTised by Lee Earl. Exact card setup but a much better routine imo. Because of the shuffling sequence.
http://youtu.be/xNex1jWbK1E
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=218
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If it's the same card setup then what's to stop anyone shuffling 'against all odds' in the same manner?
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Think of Gilbreath and a m...ror s..ck and you will get some ideas how to do it alternatively... and your spectator could do even an riffle shuffle... Jan
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To be honest and I hate to say this when it comes from Alakazam but this does look like a poor mans version of Lee Earles effect. Personally I'm not a huge fan of the premise as I've never seen a lottery deck and I doubt I'd find one outside of a magic shop. Certainly based on the demo's the Lee Earles looks superior.

Also Piatnik do make a number deck very similar to the Lee Earle deck so decks like that are actually available.

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Personally I'm not a huge fan of the premise as I've never seen a lottery deck and I doubt I'd find one outside of a magic shop.


You could equally apply that same mentality to all manner of decks of cards that are 'tools of the trade' only acquirable in magic shops.
Magician over thinking there I feel!

It's only because you (or at least 'we' as a magic community) frequent yourself around different decks of cards on a daily basis that you notice or care what is and isn't 'found outside a magic shop'.

A 'lottery deck' is no weirder to a layman than the sudden appearance of a blank deck.
I'd say those are wierder in fact!
What's the point besides magic of blank cards otherwise?
Where besides a magic shop can one purchase a blank deck of cards?
Yet magicians nearly always bring one of those out!

Some spectators have never even handled a deck of cards before, don't know what the suits actual names are.....
They don't care about cards like we do.
i would be more suprised if they said they had seen a lottery deck!

But just because they haven't doesn't mean they would consider themselves experts in the knowledge of decks of cards enough to dare challenge that one such deck might not actually exist.

Only us experts who know what is and isn't the norm when it comes to cards notice...or care about such a thing.

Magician thinking.
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On Feb 19, 2015, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Personally I'm not a huge fan of the premise as I've never seen a lottery deck and I doubt I'd find one outside of a magic shop.


You could equally apply that same mentality to all manner of decks of cards that are 'tools of the trade' only acquirable in magic shops.
Magician over thinking there I feel!

It's only because you (or at least 'we' as a magic community) frequent yourself around different decks of cards on a daily basis that you notice or care what is and isn't 'found outside a magic shop'.

A 'lottery deck' is no weirder to a layman than the sudden appearance of a blank deck.
I'd say those are wierder in fact!
What's the point besides magic of blank cards otherwise?
Where besides a magic shop can one purchase a blank deck of cards?
Yet magicians nearly always bring one of those out!

Some spectators have never even handled a deck of cards before, don't know what the suits actual names are.....
They don't care about cards like we do.
i would be more suprised if they said they had seen a lottery deck!

But just because they haven't doesn't mean they would consider themselves experts in the knowledge of decks of cards enough to dare challenge that one such deck might not actually exist.

Only us experts who know what is and isn't the norm when it comes to cards notice...or care about such a thing.

Magician thinking.


Thank you for perfectly proving my point. As a mentalist I rarely bring out a deck of cards of any kind let alone any strange and unusual ones that look like props. Mentalists thinking, not magicians thinking thank you very much. If you have to justify a prop as to what it is or where it comes from then it's probably going to look like a prop to the spectator. As a magician that's fine, people expect you to have props. As a mentalist it's a different matter entirely and those props are often the difference between mentalism and mental magic.

Adult spectators that do not know the suits or values of playing cards are rare indeed, I'm sure they exist but I personally have yet to meet one, but then I've only been at this for a little over 30 years both privately and professionally.

None of which changes the fact that this appears to be a poor copy of Lee Earle's effect.

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