Sankey taught a force that he said was very old, but did not give the name.

Without saying too much, I hope someone could give me the name for this, which forces the top card.

A few cards are pulled off the top of the deck, then the rest are just spread out from hand to hand for the spectator to pick one(touch).
The portion in the receiving hand are then squared up, and this portion is tilted up to show the card that was just touched.

Thanks;
John

I don't know what it's called, but I think Woody Aragon uses it in his lectures. He might know.

Sounds like something I learned from a Sankey DVD that he identified as Frank Garcia's "Topper"

I do something similar but I only know it as the spread cull force. I'm also curious where it originated.

It's a good force, whoever created it

Check out The Lorayne Force.

Hofzinser?

Well, that was interesting..
I didn't want to waste a lot of bandwidth on this, I just like to be able to give a name to sleights (or tricks) so that I can refer to them and locate in the future.

I found another video of Sankey, and he thought it was in Greater Magic (released in 1938 by my notes)

inigmntoya: I looked in The Definitive Sankey, and it is not Topper

Nor does it look like the spread cull that I saw Oz teach (where the force card starts on the bottom)
To clarify my original post, the first few cards are essentially individually counted down into the opposite hand, and then a spread is done of the remaining cards.

Magic Fish: Oz used that name in describing his spread cull, but again, what Oz taught was not the force I am trying to give a name to.

Harry, where is your force taught? (it may not matter, since the only material of yours that I have is The Magic Book), does it predate Greater Magic? Yet, if your method is the same as I described, maybe that is what I should call it

John

Originally taught in Close-Up Card Magic and then in a few of my other books, like Trend Setters, Quantum Leaps, etc.

I think it's just the underspread force where the force card starts on top of the deck.

On Jay Sankey's Sleight of Hand with Cards it appears that he calls it the Touch-A-Card Force

I'm pretty sure this is a version of the hofzinser force check it out.

I think in the Lorayne force the card comes from the bottom ( which is superior) and what he describes the card is originally on the top. I saw this as a move by Kardyro who said it was a simplified Hofzinser force.

Yes the force card starts on the top, the counting changes that as the trick proceeds.

In case anyone is still listening, I'm giving a link to Sankey's performance (this is a video that he has made freely available on youtube); starting a 2:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWUmNp4......Lm8QwvDN

I've always known this to be Kardyro's Simple Simon move. But here's an interesting bit of history, from Herr Behr:

"The first variant was that of using the top card for the force, by taking it into the right hand and then spreading the rest of the deck over it. This technique was published without attribution in The Magic World, Vol. 2 No. 1, Apr. 1918, p. 7, and would later become known as the “Simple Simon Move” due to its popularity following the publication of Tony Kardyro's T. K.'s Simple Simon Move, 1966, p. 2."

When I was younger, I used the same force technique like Sankey did, because I cannot do the Hofzinser Cull smoothly with my small hands. So I placed the forced card on top and misdirect the spectator before executing the sleight. I always thought it's a variation of a very old method for forcing a card, called "Hofzinser Spread Force".

While OP is referencing the Anon/Kardyro Simple Simon technique, which I discussed a couple posts up, here is a full and exhaustive history on this type of force. While he popularised the move, it is incorrect to solely credit Hofzinser. It's older than ol' J-Nep.

http://www.conjuringcredits.com/doku.php......ad_force

Thanks for the history and credits. From now on, I'll call this Kardyro's Simple Simon Move.

By the way, I also use similar, but not exactly the same technique to cull multiple cards from a spread as it is much easier to cull with a clamped card. When the deck is spread from left to right, my right thumb gently pushes the top card to the left and I automatically cull the second card, which becomes the clamped card. Then I slide the spread cards (from 3rd position onwards) between the top card and the clamped card until I find the desired card to cull.

That reference seems to verify its age and the ambiguity in its name.

Thanks for the information.