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Slappy
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If I could offer one suggestion to those that perform the chop cup on a regular basis. Its very easy to forget that the prop is supposed to be an ordinary cup. It should be handled like a cup, with the mouth UP. Most magicians mindlessly handle it like a magic prop , with the mouth down. This a very unnatural way to handle a drinking cup. I caught myself doing this and managed to break the habit.
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Thank you, Slappy, for the advice. I'm actively examining every moment of my Chop cup routine after a few years away from magic (aka Grad School) and I'm looking to ask every hard question I can about every teeny bit (also, Grad School).

Something about the CC that I have never seen covered extensively is the specific technique of the final appearances of larger objects (lemons, large balls, etc) under the cup. I end my routine with a double production, two large objects, and I feel good about my misdirection leading up to the productions, but my specific sleight of hand technique (I'm avoiding the L word in a public forum) could really use some spit and polish.

Are there any videos or texts (I prefer texts) that really delve into the angles and technique of the sleights behind the 'kicker' appearances at the end?

Thanks!
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I just recently started playing with an old Morrissey set I have had for years. A friend brought over take-out and brought his two sons, ages 9 & 13. I did a bit of magic...

Ropes, coins, silks. Great reactions, laughs all around. Then, I just jazzed a short Chop Cup routine on the spot. No final loads. No real "ending". Just..."Wait a minute...how...?" Then, I switched out for my FANTASIO Vanishing Wand. ZIP! Just a black and a white silk left behind.

That really blew them away! Not even a final "load". Just the wand vanish. The two boys wanna come back. Yeah. The Chop Cup. Who'd-a thunk it?

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For the final productions, misdirection is key. Study the Don Alan routine as detailed by Ron Bauer (booklet). (Don Alan bangs the cup on the table first, but I don't think that is necessary.)
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Not all cups are drinking cups.

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On Feb 21, 2015, Slappy wrote:
If I could offer one suggestion to those that perform the chop cup on a regular basis. Its very easy to forget that the prop is supposed to be an ordinary cup. It should be handled like a cup, with the mouth UP. Most magicians mindlessly handle it like a magic prop , with the mouth down. This a very unnatural way to handle a drinking cup. I caught myself doing this and managed to break the habit.
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Hmmm, although I think your observation is intriguing, I'm having trouble imagining how a mouth-up cup would work. First, aren't there angle problems? But more important, isn't the primitive peek-a-boo mystery of C&B essential to the effect?

Can you include a video of yourself doing a routine with the cups right-side-up?
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I think he means that before the routine starts you should put it right side up, and only turn it upside down when it is supposed to be covering something.
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On Oct 30, 2015, BeThePlunk wrote:
Hmmm, although I think your observation is intriguing, I'm having trouble imagining how a mouth-up cup would work. First, aren't there angle problems? But more important, isn't the primitive peek-a-boo mystery of C&B essential to the effect?

Can you include a video of yourself doing a routine with the cups right-side-up?


I have a number of published effects using Cups in a "mouth-up" position-- called Up-Cup before Bill jumped my case Smile

"Chop Sign" discusses this idea. "Scout Around" and "Cup of T" have several such effects.

In some, the cup starts off in Up Position and later turned over "to make things more difficult."

Consider an effect like Patriotic Chips in Tarbell. Performed Mouth Up and would not work otherwise.

Giving a reason why the cup is in the position employed can be more important than the actual position.

When using a cup with handle the process of changing the cup from Up to Down Mouth adds many additional sleights.
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While I agreed not all cups are for drinking most of all are to be used mouth up, I think that was the point of the OP, treat the cup as regular mouth up cup and of course mouth down when doing the routine, which is hidding a small something from view with a cup mouth down.
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