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trickychaz
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I remember older kids yelling "you switched it" at the climax of silk to egg. They never see the switch because I use the TT method. I have been reading Ortiz book Designing Miracles & thought it would be nice to employ some principles in his book to the silk to egg.

Have you ever received this reaction from older kids? Does the current silk to egg's produce a miracle? Are they shocked when they first see it, but later recall that a switch occurred? I am interested in hearing your thoughts about Darwin's book & silk to egg.

Charles
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Don't understand what you are saying. Are you doing a straight silk to egg trick, or with the sucker explanation? The explanation describes how the egg is switched. I think a straight silk to egg is sort of "ho hum".

I never get much reaction from the beginning of the trick, it is that flat. The explanation is the killer part, and always gets great reaction from audiences.
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Hi Bill,

I am doing the sucker explanation. What do you mean when you say "the explanation describes how the egg is switched"?

In my opinion, the egg with the hole should never seem to be switched out for a real egg. Do you understand what I am saying?

Here is the business I do.

I perform the trick...teach the trick..show the pre set up involved (while putting the hole egg in my left coat pocket, I switch & pull out the real egg) I then put the silk into the palmed egg (really into a thumb tip) & ditch the thumb tip with silk in pocket when going for magic dust & reveal the egg...crack it
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I see, you do a lot of extra things that in opinion is just complicating the trick for the magician to do. I just use a funny wand when not using the pocket. The egg broke in my pocket once and that was time to change the setting.

I think the kids are yelling because of your ditch mentioned above. It is obvious that you go to the pocket to much. I will PM you.

I have sent the Gene DeVoe instructions to you for you to look over.
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I was trying to figure out a Sucker Silk to Egg sequence that didn't involve pockets and would fit the way I work. I ended up using the same handling as Lance Burton with great success. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzDrC_OHjU
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Cf. Karrell Fox's "For My Next Trick", page 95. His "Super Simple Silk 2 Egg" is both practical, easy, and effective.

I used Tarbell's routine for many years, but switched to Karrell's idea when he showed it to me before his book was published. I made a few modifications to fit "me" and, I've used it ever since.

CHAZ! PM me.
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If someone in the audience _thinks_ he know how a trick is done, even if his supposition is light years from the truth, as far as he is concerned, that's exactly how it was done. This is the type of person who is convinced that in a manipulation act there is a gadget in the sleeve that shoots the cards and billiard balls out into the hand the way they've heard crooked gamblers have a device in their sleeve that switches a poker hand. These same people _know_ that in a linking ring routine the rings have a secret way of opening.

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Rely on presentation, not mechanics.
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On Feb 25, 2015, Bob Sanders wrote:
Rely on presentation, not mechanics.


Hi Bob

I agree that presentation is important, however I still think the magic should be baffling. The presentation is pretty straight forward for the classic magic silk to egg. You do something amazing, reveal the secret, teach them how to do it & then baffle them with a real egg.
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Yes, BUT! YOU, apparently, (see your first post) are NOT baffling them!

KEEP IT SINPLE--MAKE IT FUN, is the primary principle! Tarbell understood that. Karrell Fox did, too. (and, this old, broken down,retired prestidigitator, does, too!)

I have used the "egg trick" part time and full time professionally, since 1946. At first, I used the Tarbell routine. When Karrell passed along his simplification, I adapted it to my PRESENTATION. Nobody, has ever said, "You switched the egg!"

See Bob Sanders post, just above: PRESENTATION!!! --That's a lot more than an "INTERESTING CONCEPT" !!! >>>>>(which is how you responded to Bill's PM.)<<<<<

I, (and, I'm sure Bob Sanders) rely on PRESENTATION. My PRESENTATION, (and, I'm sure Bob's PRESENTATION) B A F F L E S "them". We wouldn't have been successful,all these years, if we did not BAFFLE, as well as ENTERTAIN, them.

IMHO, you have tried to make a "round wheel" more "round". I haven't read Dan Ortiz's book, but, I can't imagine him cluttering up a good trick with unnecessary props.

Perhaps some of that wonderful (?) 'magic dust' has clouded your vision.

P.S. Never mind my invite to PM. I've said it right here.
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I have performed this recently in two shows, I use Michael Ammar's handling from his book.
So far I have had terrific reactions with it. I would recommend it.
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SECOND ON Michael Ammar'S
Bill Hegbli
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My reply to "You switched it!". Yes I did, I used my magic powers to turn the fake egg into a real egg. I'm a magician.
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I've had a eight year old yell "you switched the coin for another one". This was true, I had. She still has no idea how though at least. She was just stating the obvious. Hard to fool some kids. Her brother just stood there going wow!
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G'day friend from down under....

I've used the "egg trick" since '46. I have NEVER had ANYONE yell, say, or even remark, that I switched the egg. Perhaps it's because they are laughing (and, applauding!) so hard, that they don't even THINK that thought!

We must always keep in mind that, Magic is NOT INHERENTLY ENTERTAINING! Our task, as magicians, is to make it entertaining with our PRESENTATION. The magician's PRESENTATION is always more important than the PROPS!

IMO, the OP has over complicated the routine (with, for example, a TT!) My mentors insisted that it was necessary to keep the method, AND, the effect SIMPLE and, FUN.

You haven't mentioned what the EFFECT was (with your coin). The EFFECT, is what the spectator sees, or thinks that he sees. I have learned over 70 years, that no one perceives the same effect! They "see" according to their own intelligence, imagination, and experience.
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The "Egg Trick" is a near-perfect, classic of Magic that especially lends itself well to routining.

In my "egg bit"... I do it following my "Egg Bag" routine...makes sense........you've vanished and reproduced an egg.....now what?

Just keep the egg VISIBLE in the eyes and mind of the audience....draw attention to it.......

If you "cover" and work out your simple "moves", switching should NEVER be an issue with this trick, in my experience.
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Hi Dick,

Thanks for your post. The effect I was performing was the transposition of two coins several times in one hand. Essentially swapping back and forth between a Chinese coin and an American quarter and at times ending up with two of each. It's a routine I came up with when learning coin Magic. It has entertained well in front of friends and my local Magic club. My post was really just an aside about a eight year old I know who is determined to never be fooled and boy she is a tough critic. Many tricks I have performed for her and her brother have shown her ability to be able to screen out the patter and misdirection, she won't always get it right but she refuses to buy into the idea that it's magic of any sort. Her brother meanwhile sits back and loves the show.

I'm not claiming to be the most entertaining magician in the world but I try, and boy it's really hard work with Zahra.
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Suggest putting Zahra in a sword box!

As you've learned from (hard) experience , Zahra is not interested in being entertained. I would just ignore her!

Your routine sounds clever.
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There are some laymen who have a knack of spotting methodology.

Thirty years ago, a friend of mine was brilliant at that. I'd videoed a magic show from TV and was really puzzled by one illusion, as were my magician friends. I played the tape to my friend and he immediately said what must have been the method and I believe he was right.
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Why not just do the last part of the trick really its a long tirck to long of a trick. just use the real egg push the silk into your hand and pocket it have the sticker on the other side of the egg pull your silk out. crack the egg open heck crack the egg open into a dove pan and so on
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