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Nice loooong mini review, MUCH appreciated!
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On Mar 5, 2015, puggo wrote:
Mini Review

I thought that I would post this as unfortunately there are no demos. My opinion is based on an initial review, not on ‘in the trenches’ testing.

Bias rating:
I paid full price for this and although I have met Gary briefly a few times, I do not ‘know’ him well. I am a fan of his work though, as his stuff is normally great for the worker, due to the construction of the effects (but still very relevant for the hobbyist as it is normally of a very attainable skill level).

Chips, why chips?:
Poker chips are big, colourful and have an instant hook/plot (casino, my lucky chip etc. etc.). They are a touch larger than a dollar, but if you use 1//2 dollars or £2 coins, make the effort as it can make your magic more visual.
There are big advantages with chips as they don’t ‘talk’. The disadvantage is that if you use a click pass (and there is one used in one of the routines) then they have poor audio compared to dollars, half crowns etc. Also, you can use chips for an infinite amount of other routines.

Props:
You get 10 poker chips (un-shimmed), 3 of which are gaffed (think copper silver coin). The quality appears to be very good and the colours allows the specs to clearly tell the difference. A challenge of a poorly structured or performed copper silver routine, is that the spec can be confused as to what’s where. With these orange (+colour) chips, it will be easier to ensure they know the magic has happened. I did like the look of the chips in the DVD performance though (nice deep red), but then there’s nothing to grumble about.

DVD:
A well shot and produced, well lit DVD with several live performances. Some effects have a studio (Dave’s flat?) and live performance. The explanations are clear, with both Gary and Dave giving quality instruction. I would be surprised if anyone struggled to learn from this.

Difficulty:
There are some virtually self-working effects here (presentation skills still required!!), as well as some sleight of hand (SoH). There are no signs of multiple downs palmed, Goshman pinching reverse muscle passing though.. (lucky for me really!), so if you have reasonable SoH skills, this is all within your reach.

Routines:
All the following routines are ideal for REAL PEOPLE! Forget the multi-phase ace assemblies and hard core 5 minute flourishes. All the routines are simple (but not too simple), easy to follow potential workers.

Ceramic Sheep:
Watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJyjcISXmgs Are you back yet?
A great effect, but this time with poker chips and with no real SoH needed.
A table is required.

Deep Fly:
A 3 fly with poker chips with very clear crediting to the inspirational source. I prefer this to any other 3 fly I have seen due to the ‘plot’ and the slot machine kicker. I will definitely be working this one up for paid work. It is not hard.
No table required.

Big Money:
A copper silver/wild coin type effect with a kicker. Quite a nice routine.
Table used but can probably be adapted.

Elimination (2 versions):
A solid, practical and fooling mentalism effect along the free will/equivoque lines. Good if you like that sort of thing, but not ideal for my working conditions/style. Easy to perform.
Table required.

Lucky 1000:
A simple copper silver type effect that audiences will appreciate.
No table required.

Gambler:
This is a routine based around blackjack, where a blackjack hand changes and a chip changes – all in full view. Well routined with a good story (ideal for parlour or hobby work – possibly for some table hoppers). I can see this playing well as a standalone piece or as part of a set. I like it.
Table required (the only thing which limits it for me).

RH Poker Chip:
Another copper silver type effect. It seemed to go over well with the specs, but not my favourite.
No table needed.

Chipper Silver:
A spell bounding multi-changing routine using a (borrowed) coin and chip which transform into each other. Well constructed with some good ‘empty hand’ displays.
No table needed.

Chips across:
A fair routine but the handling is rather over-worked for me. I’m not a fan of this one.
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Value:
The price is not cheap, but then again the props seem good quality and if just one of the routines go into your set for 6 months plus, you’ve had a bargain.

Final thoughts:
I am not disappointed. In fact I am a very happy customer. I will definitely work up Deep Fly and Chipper Silver for use gigging. I may practice ‘Gambler’ in case I get the performing environment to use it. I will also probably use the chips for a purse frame production and body loading routine I do, so more use from the same props.
Gary Jones and Dave Forrest have done a very good job. If it piques your interest, I would strongly recommend you buy what I would regard as being an excellent product, I very much doubt you will regret it.

Charlie


Hi Charlie,

Thanks for an excellent review and I am just about to take a look at the demo.

Deep Fly sounds great, I am not a fan of 3 Fly routines with Coins but this might just change my mind, like the sound of this one.
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Will this be (or is it) available from any US distributor? Shipping charges directly from Full52.com are high.
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Don't forget that you may be able to adapt your favourite/existing routines to the chip set. e.g. Mark Jenest's short hop (hopping halves) is a straight prop swop (but the presentation now has more of a hook).
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On Mar 5, 2015, puggo wrote:
Mini Review

I thought that I would post this as unfortunately there are no demos. My opinion is based on an initial review, not on ‘in the trenches’ testing.

Bias rating:
I paid full price for this and although I have met Gary briefly a few times, I do not ‘know’ him well. I am a fan of his work though, as his stuff is normally great for the worker, due to the construction of the effects (but still very relevant for the hobbyist as it is normally of a very attainable skill level).

Chips, why chips?:
Poker chips are big, colourful and have an instant hook/plot (casino, my lucky chip etc. etc.). They are a touch larger than a dollar, but if you use 1//2 dollars or £2 coins, make the effort as it can make your magic more visual.
There are big advantages with chips as they don’t ‘talk’. The disadvantage is that if you use a click pass (and there is one used in one of the routines) then they have poor audio compared to dollars, half crowns etc. Also, you can use chips for an infinite amount of other routines.

Props:
You get 10 poker chips (un-shimmed), 3 of which are gaffed (think copper silver coin). The quality appears to be very good and the colours allows the specs to clearly tell the difference. A challenge of a poorly structured or performed copper silver routine, is that the spec can be confused as to what’s where. With these orange (+colour) chips, it will be easier to ensure they know the magic has happened. I did like the look of the chips in the DVD performance though (nice deep red), but then there’s nothing to grumble about.

DVD:
A well shot and produced, well lit DVD with several live performances. Some effects have a studio (Dave’s flat?) and live performance. The explanations are clear, with both Gary and Dave giving quality instruction. I would be surprised if anyone struggled to learn from this.

Difficulty:
There are some virtually self-working effects here (presentation skills still required!!), as well as some sleight of hand (SoH). There are no signs of multiple downs palmed, Goshman pinching reverse muscle passing though.. (lucky for me really!), so if you have reasonable SoH skills, this is all within your reach.

Routines:
All the following routines are ideal for REAL PEOPLE! Forget the multi-phase ace assemblies and hard core 5 minute flourishes. All the routines are simple (but not too simple), easy to follow potential workers.

Ceramic Sheep:
Watch this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJyjcISXmgs Are you back yet?
A great effect, but this time with poker chips and with no real SoH needed.
A table is required.

Deep Fly:
A 3 fly with poker chips with very clear crediting to the inspirational source. I prefer this to any other 3 fly I have seen due to the ‘plot’ and the slot machine kicker. I will definitely be working this one up for paid work. It is not hard.
No table required.

Big Money:
A copper silver/wild coin type effect with a kicker. Quite a nice routine.
Table used but can probably be adapted.

Elimination (2 versions):
A solid, practical and fooling mentalism effect along the free will/equivoque lines. Good if you like that sort of thing, but not ideal for my working conditions/style. Easy to perform.
Table required.

Lucky 1000:
A simple copper silver type effect that audiences will appreciate.
No table required.

Gambler:
This is a routine based around blackjack, where a blackjack hand changes and a chip changes – all in full view. Well routined with a good story (ideal for parlour or hobby work – possibly for some table hoppers). I can see this playing well as a standalone piece or as part of a set. I like it.
Table required (the only thing which limits it for me).

RH Poker Chip:
Another copper silver type effect. It seemed to go over well with the specs, but not my favourite.
No table needed.

Chipper Silver:
A spell bounding multi-changing routine using a (borrowed) coin and chip which transform into each other. Well constructed with some good ‘empty hand’ displays.
No table needed.

Chips across:
A fair routine but the handling is rather over-worked for me. I’m not a fan of this one.
-----

Value:
The price is not cheap, but then again the props seem good quality and if just one of the routines go into your set for 6 months plus, you’ve had a bargain.

Final thoughts:
I am not disappointed. In fact I am a very happy customer. I will definitely work up Deep Fly and Chipper Silver for use gigging. I may practice ‘Gambler’ in case I get the performing environment to use it. I will also probably use the chips for a purse frame production and body loading routine I do, so more use from the same props.
Gary Jones and Dave Forrest have done a very good job. If it piques your interest, I would strongly recommend you buy what I would regard as being an excellent product, I very much doubt you will regret it.

Charlie


Thank you Charlie for your very thorough 'mini' review, that must have taken you ages to do so a huge thanks is in order!

I forgot to mention it on the DVD but I actually do Metal Sheep in the spectator's hands, just have them place their hands side by side, it works great in strolling at at the tables. The same with most of the other routines, with a little management most (not all) can be done in the hands.

As Charlie mentioned, many of your existing coin routines can be used using this set of chips, I use the triple spellbound at most tables, and you only have to carry one chip with you and you're always ready to go!

Once again, thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough review!

Gary Jones.
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DVDs/Effects; The Unknown - iCandy - More iCandy 1 & 2 - Dupes - 52 0n 1 Project - 74% Self Working - Flying Tonight - Pocket This - 6 Pack Coins - 6 Pack Cards - Thought Wave - Noted - Duality - Live Lecture Vol 1 - Pseudo Pickpocket - iContact - Shock Twist - Thought of Cards Across Plus - Touched - Colour Diffusion - Look No Hands Wayne Dobson - Automata - Box Pad - No Frills Lecture Notes 1 & 2 - The Ammo - Double Cross - Initial Here - Automata 2 - Black Market - Trick Soup - Automata 3 - Penguin Live Lecture - Upper Hand - Cartoon Capers - Life's a Beach Vol 1.
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The idea of doing Metal Sheep in the Spectator hands sounds great, I will have to try that, it even adds an extra layer of impossibility to the effect.
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Received this yesterday but I have only had time to watch the first routine on the DVD (Ceramic Sheep).

I can comment on the props though. I have over ten years in the casino business and I can honestly say that these chips are of excellent quality. They are the real thing, clean and simple.

Very happy with my purchase! Smile
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This sounds better and better. I will have to pick this up when I have cleared my backlog of new Effects from Blackpool.
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Hi all,

Thanks for your interest, comments and reviews regarding 'The Ammo'.

It's a project that both myself and Gary are very proud of. I think we definitely achieved what we set out to accomplish. That is, a high end, multi-functional set of poker chips accompanied by a host of real world, workable material. Moreover, we wanted to produce a product that enabled you to convert many existing coin routines into poker chip routines. To that end, I think we succeeded. It's definitely not a 'trick of the moment' type release. It's an investment for discerning magicians who want to vary their professional repertoires.

The chips themselves went through several stages of development - we genuinely tried out several different chip types and designs (including steel core) before arriving at the finished product. They are, as someone commented earlier, the real deal. This is a set of 10 casino grade, ceramic chips designed specifically for magicians in that they are clearly identifiable against most background colours and lighting conditions.

At the moment these are only available through me at the website (link in signature) and I can assure you that postage costs are accurate. They are heavy (as ceramic poker chips should be) but it's a proper investment in a set of props that you will use in various ways for many years. It may be that they become available through a distributor in the future but that's not something we're looking into at the moment.

Thanks again for the interest,

All the best,

Dave.
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Awesome Smile Just grabbed a set. Love poker chip magic.
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My set arrived today.

These are beautiful chips with a bunch of great routines.

A lot of love has been poured into this project. It could easily have sold for twice the price because of the quality of the props alone. They look like real poker chips, because they are.

The gimmicks are amazing. So much thought has been given to how they work to create maximum impact.

Gary's routines, as always, are practical and hard hitting.

Although I paid full price I still consider this a gift!

Thanks Dave and Gary. Smile

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My set arrived today.

These are beautiful chips with a bunch of great routines.

A lot of love has been poured into this project. It could easily have sold for twice the price because of the quality of the props alone. They look like real poker chips, because they are.

The gimmicks are amazing. So much thought has been given to how they work to create maximum impact.

Gary's routines, as always, are practical and hard hitting.

Although I paid full price I still consider this a gift!

Thanks Dave and Gary. Smile

Smile Smile Smile


Thank you Jamie!

As Dave mentioned in an earlier post, this set is more like a utility, and can be used to replace many of your existing coin routines to add that little extra variety to your performances, and they come with 10 routines to get you started.

Gary Jones.
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DVDs/Effects; The Unknown - iCandy - More iCandy 1 & 2 - Dupes - 52 0n 1 Project - 74% Self Working - Flying Tonight - Pocket This - 6 Pack Coins - 6 Pack Cards - Thought Wave - Noted - Duality - Live Lecture Vol 1 - Pseudo Pickpocket - iContact - Shock Twist - Thought of Cards Across Plus - Touched - Colour Diffusion - Look No Hands Wayne Dobson - Automata - Box Pad - No Frills Lecture Notes 1 & 2 - The Ammo - Double Cross - Initial Here - Automata 2 - Black Market - Trick Soup - Automata 3 - Penguin Live Lecture - Upper Hand - Cartoon Capers - Life's a Beach Vol 1.
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Got my set in the post today ... beautiful. Agree with Jamie Ferguson, the chips are perfect.

Going on the road for a couple weeks. Will post my thoughts on the teaching when I get home.
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Could anyone who has this set please tell me if any of the gimmicked chips supplied is a ]?
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Not a sh*** in sight Videoman
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Not a sh*** in sight Videoman


Yes, no sh***......Yet?? We are working on this so watch this space!

Gary Jones.
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gary@garyjonesmagic.com

DVDs/Effects; The Unknown - iCandy - More iCandy 1 & 2 - Dupes - 52 0n 1 Project - 74% Self Working - Flying Tonight - Pocket This - 6 Pack Coins - 6 Pack Cards - Thought Wave - Noted - Duality - Live Lecture Vol 1 - Pseudo Pickpocket - iContact - Shock Twist - Thought of Cards Across Plus - Touched - Colour Diffusion - Look No Hands Wayne Dobson - Automata - Box Pad - No Frills Lecture Notes 1 & 2 - The Ammo - Double Cross - Initial Here - Automata 2 - Black Market - Trick Soup - Automata 3 - Penguin Live Lecture - Upper Hand - Cartoon Capers - Life's a Beach Vol 1.
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Look forward to that Gary. this is a great set BTW. I'm working my way thru the routines
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The new thread about Sucker Punch (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=627920&forum=218) brought this to my attention, and now I'm trying to compare the two. What numbers and colors of chips are included here? From reading the thread, I gather there are 7 normal and 3 gaffed, but that clearly doesn't work out right to have an even number of each type, or of even each pair of colors for the 3 gaffed chips. Could anyone enlighten me?
Feel free to PM if you'd prefer that. Thanks!
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Afaik, the types of gaffs aren't listed either, anyone got more info on this?
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Did you read the rest of the thread first? Check out the very nice review on page 1: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......art=0#18 that details a little more about what's included.
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