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MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
The Si Stebbins "Secret" to set up this stack was published by
Darwin Ortiz in an out-of-print and hard-to-find book. It's a shame that many talk about it but because of copyright issues, no one can disclose the method. You can also find it in the Hierophant 1 and 2 Mostly Marlo Issue on page 61. I'm so old, I bought this book new! The good news is that you can also learn this method in the DVD series "Advanced Card Control Volume 6: Faro Shuffle" by Allan Ackerman. It is AVAILABLE for less than $30 USD. If you use this stack, this is one way to learn the technique. |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
The Marlo method from Hierophant #2 and the Ortiz method from Darwin Ortiz At The Card Table are not the same. They use different culling and shuffling ideas.
And, both Marlo and Ortiz credit Russell Duck for the basic idea, which was mentioned briefly in Rusduck's Cardiste #3 (June - 1957). Rusduck commented that the Si Stebbins arrangement could be generated from new deck order "with two perfect riffle shuffles."
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
Thanks for the additional info. I NEVER set up any stack in front of an
audience. Some choose to do so. The KEY is the two outs. Since the stack is cyclic, it doesn't much matter which card winds up on top or the bottom. Ackerman also discusses the "Reverse or Anti-Faro". I have the cards in the case set up this way so I can do one Faro to set up the Aronson stack. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Some time ago, not knowing the Ortiz method, I created my own method to go from NDO to SI Stebbins. My solution is much inferior to Ortiz's but if you'd like to see detailed instructions of how I did it, you can find out here, on my daily blog:
http://jackshalom.net/2015/03/03/uspcc-ndo-to-si-stebbins/
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MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
Clever idea, Jack. It's interesting the change-up in the
order of the suits. I still prefer to set the four "stacks" beforehand. |
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
I'm not familiar with Marlo's method. How does it compare to Ortiz'? Is one more likely to fly past magicians than another?
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Zlwin Chew Elite user Malaysian Magician with 437 Posts |
I remember learning this stack from a simple magic book I got from my local bookstore. It was written by a non-famous magician. It's like one of those really cheap magic book you buy for your children. Ha. But it got me started
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Mar 4, 2015, Cohiba wrote: They are similar...Ortiz got the concept from Marlo. Magicians won't notice a difference.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Is this covered in the "At the Card Table" dvd?
If so, what is the section/title? Thank you. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Okay, I have answered my own question.
After reviewing my Darwin Ortiz "At the Card Table" DVD's I have found it. On disc TWO - "Do AS I Do" routine. Really clever method of getting into Si Stebbins in front of the audience while shuffling the deck. It is not easy however and require some skill. The good news is this DVD set is available, so you do not have to wait several years for a reprint of his book. Unless, you want the book. |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Mar 16, 2015, Jerry wrote: What do you find difficult? The faro shuffles?
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Perfect Faro's yes.
Which is required |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
I also have the Ackerman video (volume six), he does go over the Si Stebbins stack using the faro shuffle for setup.
It is NOT the same as Darwin Ortiz, at least not that I can tell. He even mentions Darwin's method and refers you to his book "At the Table". |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Mar 16, 2015, Jerry wrote: What source material do you have for learning the faro? It is not a difficult technique...especially if using a new quality deck straight out of the box.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
I have the Jason England video. He stated that he can not do this move all the time, it is one of the hardest moves.
"No one can do this move 100% of the time, NO ONE" - Jason England. I respect Mr. England assessment. That is why I claim you need to have skill. I am just starting out to learn the Faro, in the hands and the table shuffle. To answer your question. Video: Jason Egland (Foundations 3); Michael Close (Perfect Faro); Allen Ackerman (Volume #6) Steven Youell (Perfect Faro Shuffle); Book: Ed Marlo Revolutionary Card Technique and Michael Close Faro Shuffle E-Pub. Decks: Richard Turner's Gold Seal and Tally Ho. |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
Well, since you are just starting on your journey in learning the faro, you certainly have excellent material to learn from. And, the cards you are using should aid you greatly in this quest.
As far as it not being 100%, no sleight is. There is always a way for something to go wrong. The shuffle does require some skill, but it is not a great deal. Good luck in your study and progression!
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
My main objective was to inform the magic community of the resource that is available if they want to pursue this.
In addition to also warn of the challenge they may incur if they did not have the skill of the faro shuffle. After a brief history on the faro, Mr. England gives a difficulty disclaimer. I never seen that before. So just passing that on. I am jazz about the faro shuffle, the Secret Si Stebbins and the “ Do as I Do” routine. Thanks memdeck for this post. |
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MemDeck329 Regular user 179 Posts |
Hi Jerry, I am jazzed that you are jazzed about the Faro Shuffle! IMHO, it’s not all that difficult. Like fans and flourishes, I do not consider the Faro to be a “sleight” since it is performed openly. Also, it’s the kind of thing that the spectator cannot go and buy at the magic store! I learned it while watching TV and practicing during the commercials. One of my all time favorite effects is the “Gun Trick”.
In the mid 1970s in San Francisco, I wanted to learn more about playing pool. I met a very good player who wanted to learn magic. Unlike now, secrets were more carefully guarded. He showed me a couple of drills to practice on the pool table and I showed him how to do a faro. I promised more lessons when he could perform a perfect faro. In one week he could do it better than me. As things worked out he became an excellent amateur magician and I wrote a book called “The Pool Player’s Bible” in 1980. That’s my faro story. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I would put the faro in the same category as the coin roll or riding a bike. Once you've acquired it, it doesn't seem difficult, just knacky. But while on the way to acquiring it, it seems difficult.
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Now I am researching a Si Stebbins alternate, looks like Doug Dyment DOA is the winner.
I am just wondering if I can modify the "Secret Stebbins" for the DOA? |
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