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Jeff Wassom Elite user 493 Posts |
Well the reactions of live audiences regardless of editing prove the point that writing the information down didn't matter, and possibly even added strength to the effect.
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
Mike is biased on this issue since he has a whole book that was never written down.
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
Are you saying that visible compromise is better than invisible?
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
In seriousness, my own uneducated sense is that asking whether written or unwritten is better is the wrong question. All other things being equal I suspect it would be better to have no writing and no piece of paper for most effects. But all other things can't be equal. If you don't get the information by reading it off of a piece of paper then you have to get it some other way, and the relevant comparison is between what you need to do to get the information one way versus the other. You can't compare a billet trick against an impossible effect where someone just thinks of a word and you spontaneously tell them what it is. If you could do that, I bet that would be a very strong effect.
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David Numen Inner circle 2072 Posts |
Ever asked a lay person how mind reading would look?
A friend of mine just getting into mentalism asked around because he was having issues with writing things down. The replies he got indicated having something written down and sealed in an envelope and being able to discern the thought would be the cleanest method. Not writing something down would be suspicious. These were the thoughts of lay people, not magi. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: Who is "they?" I've NEVER had this part edited out on television: From my Principia Mentalia: Quote: Principium 1 |
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
I guess I should've said "some mentalists".
I also agree with the late T.A.Waters who said:"From the spectator's point of view there is no way that sleight-of-hand could assist you in revealing a thought existing only in his mind." |
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: I think it depends on your presentation and your ability to make the visible compromise invisible... I have no trouble with visible compromise and I actually prefer it.
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: Just as there is no way that people won't change their minds or even outright lie on occasion simply to make the mentalist look foolish. Hence the added "test condition" of having the thought committed to writing- which is also a great aid to their concentration. The bottom line is simply this- whenever a "compromise" is required, that compromise should be presented as a means of making the effect seem even fairer and more difficult. |
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
Usually people don't lie when they are amazed.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You seem to be missing my point. All compromises must be justified, either explicitly or implicitly. It doesn't matter what you think "most people" would do- what matters is being prepared for what "some people" will do.
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
If someone deny that you got their thought correctly, and you insist that you did, who do you think the audience will believe to?
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: It doesn't matter who believe who. If the spectator denies that you got their thought right, the climax instantly dies. And that's all that matters.
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: Well the written proof in the possession of a "judge" resolves that nicely, doesn't it? |
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
Well, such a participant can deny even if he wrote it down. He can say that he didn't thought of that, and thought of something else to see if you are a real mindreader.
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CThomas Loyal user 272 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: The audience would obviously believe the spectator rather than the mentalist, which just proves the point Bob is making. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And now we move into the realm of the ridiculous, particularly when the entire audience SAW him write it down.
Seems like your only purpose here is to win an argument rather than to have a reasonable discussion. |
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Seethings Elite user 435 Posts |
He can say "I wrote down Smith but I thought of Jones to see if you are a real mindreader!".
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2015, Seethings wrote: That's why I choose my participants rather than selecting them at random.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Seethings-
Whatever... I'm more interested in the realities of performing rather than arguing for argument's sake. |
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