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seanksutton Veteran user 331 Posts |
I have visited two colleges so far: San Diego State University and Arizona State University. I personally really like SDSU, as they have a really good Entreprenual program.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You will find one similarity in college and a magic career and even life. You will get from them what you put into them. If you go into college expecting to get the full experience possible you will get EXACTLY that. Magic career is similar as well as life.
Don't expect the college to do the work for you. Yes pick the one with the best possible odds of getting from it what you want, then it is up to you to get it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
You know, Danny. Sometimes you are very wise!
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea but then there are the other 99% of my posts!
But thank you.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
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On Mar 9, 2015, seanksutton wrote: Yeah. The two things you pay for by getting a university education is expertise and credentials: expertise in the form of the education you obtain, and credentials in the form of the degree you earn. Historically, these two things were hard to separate. Colleges and universities had a collective monopoly on higher education. Nowadays, not so much -- there are a ton of free online resources from which you can learn almost anything you want. As Will Hunting put it to a college grad student, "you dropped 150 grand on a [bleepin'] education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library." If you're going to college strictly for the education, then it's definitely not worth it. [And others I've had this conversation with often point out right around here: the college experience is not just about the education. They point out that these are formative years socially as well. You'll meet people, share experiences, build character, network etc. All valid points -- but I claim you don't need to actually pay tuition to do any of that. I claim that happens because you're 18-22, not because you're "in college."] The question therefore is: is the *credential* you get at college worth it? That's not necessarily an easy question to answer. I definitely don't have the answer. But FWIW, I think credentials are important to *companies*, not to people. If you want to get an entry-level job at a big company, you're probably going to need a college degree. If you want someone to hire you as a magician, they probably don't care whether you have three PhDs or no degree at all -- they care that you're good at magic. So, if you want to learn how to be an entrepreneur/professional magician and market yourself, consider whether or not to go to college your first business decision. |
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
There's one thing you've missed.. Do you have the ability to get your degree?
A few years of fannying about for a seemingly worthless degree that, no disrespect, you can't even spell correctly? Kabbalah seems to have the same opinion as myself. Earn while you learn. Just my opinion.
What do we want?
A cure for tourettes! When do we want it? C*nt! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Ones ability to spell on an informal message board is not a prerequisite for college admission.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
Admission is one thing, completion is another.
What do we want?
A cure for tourettes! When do we want it? C*nt! |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Mar 9, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: What's the problem? He spelled degree properly.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2015, Starrpower wrote: Yeah, I was doing pretty good as a typesetter for about 20 years, then my last job got "Engulfed and Devoured" and I discovered that there was *** little work for typesetters in this digital age (and I know digital typesetting, it's just that no one wants it when they think they can do it all on their home computers) and those who do use typesetting, didn't want a 48 (now 59) year old typesetter at an entry level worker.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Many seem to sort of agree as to what I said earlier. Checkout what I posted in this thread on : Mar 6, 2015 09:00 pm.
College opens doors to working for others. College in some instances teaches you the skills for your profession, such as teaching chemistry, engineering etc. While a degree in Business or an Entrepreneurial program may help it will not even be close to the final answer to succeed if you go into business for yourself. That is up to you. Did I have help when I started out? Yes, my wife. She had a full time job and we worked many wee hours of the morning fixing up our rental apartments that we purchased and remodeled ourselves for 4 years. Just saying as I said earlier. If it was easy everyone would do it. Always loved the expression. We make money the old fashion way...We earn it. The great think about being in business for oneself is that there is no one putting a ceiling on what you can earn except yourself.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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seanksutton Veteran user 331 Posts |
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On Mar 9, 2015, Ray Tupper. wrote: Didn't notice that. Haha. And yes, I believe I have the ability to get a degree. I'm currently taking college courses while still in 11th grade (I'm currently taking College Composition 2, College Trigonometry, AP Physics, and AP US History- and have A's in all of them)... Thanks for your feedback though 😄👍 |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think the liberal arts curriculum I pursued in college (my first degree was in English literature) has served me very well in my career as a mentalist, creator and writer. Of course, in show business it really doesn't matter what degrees you have, because you're judged by how well you do what you do. It's not the degree, but the education that's important in the long run.
My recommendation would be that you pursue a liberal arts degree with a major in a subject that will help you to pursue your primary love. Communications, theater, business administration, etc., as have been mentioned in previous posts, will all help a career in magic. But take literature, philosophy and arts courses as well, because the lessons you'll learn there will be among the most fulfilling and invaluable. |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts |
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On Mar 9, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: And, not one of these will put food in your belly nor a roof over your head!
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2015, Kabbalah wrote: These quotes show a fundamental difference in perspective that will not be resolved here (or perhaps anywhere). Personally, I am in the camp that holds that education is valuable in and of itself. And college is not trade school. |
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
Go to college. You can perform for students through gigs paid for by the university student council. That's what I did, and it paid my college tuition bill in full.
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Zlwin Chew Elite user Malaysian Magician with 437 Posts |
Wow! This is a REALLY GOOD thread. I would definitely direct here my friends who asks me this question in the future.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2015, Kabbalah wrote: Here's something that perfectly expresses the significance of the liberal arts that you dismiss so cavalierly: Quote:
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.or......ion.html |
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Magic_son Regular user 195 Posts |
I have been watching this thread reading some really good advice, like Zuber and others. I can give some thoughts on both sides because in this e mid to late 80s until 1999 I performed for the main source of income for my family. I started college but did not see see the need, so there it went by the wayside. I found myself married with two children by the mid nineties, and started not only thinking about their future but mine as well.
Went from performing to landing a job in law enforcement (how does that happen?), so I went back to school for a degree in CJ. The main reason I went back was to be able to look my children in the eye and encourage them, not to move up and..... By the early 2000s I choose to give up performing to return to school for a MBA. I did not know at the time but this would help assist me in the future with promotions and help me help my agency by budgeting for the largest detention center in North and South Carolina. I went to school to be able to have something to fall back on if and when the time came that I had to leave law enforcement (have you noticed how we are trusted these days). I am starting to reach my twilight years in law enforcement, and the years and my agency has been good to me. However, I am still a performer at heart. I recently started a Facebook page for the honor of my father and mother who have been performing magic for over 60 years, check it out, it is call the Magical McLaurys. I posted just a couple of things but more is to come. When I finish this carrer I will pick up my magic, and yet have insurance and retirement. I will also say that I will be more weary and worn, and I still Wonder "what if." But in the end for me, college was a good decision, It has lead me to leadership training among some of th best universities in the world, and all all of this will just help in painting my magical future. Bruce |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2015, Kabbalah wrote: They certainly can help do so if you know what you are doing. Though I've made very little money directly from my arts training, nearly everything I've accomplished of worth in life is because of it.
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