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Hart Keene
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Has anyone been contacted or contracted with this recruiting company? What are your thoughts on working with them? I did a Google search and it didn't turn anything up.

I was contacted by phone a few days ago by a representative of Image Builders International. He told me that he wanted to book me on cruise ships and called himself a "recruiter". He briefly talked about the terms and the type of work I would be doing. I asked him to send a follow up email so I could see everything in front of me when I returned to my office. The "induction document", or listing agreement, was for 6 months and on top of the compensation to the agent, required a non-refundable, sizable "admin fee".

Today I received a call from a fellow local magician who wanted to give me a heads up that he had been contacted by this same gentleman. He said that he had talked with another magician friend in the area who had also been contacted by the same man.

So, can anyone shed any light on this company? Have you worked with them? Are they reputable?

Thanks!
-Hart

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Nash
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At this day and age if your company doesn't show up on google search, it is a huge red flag.
For as far as we know this dude could be running his office in Nigeria lol
Don't give up, don't EVER give up.

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Hart Keene
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Exactly Nash! Both Craig Martin and Joe Black were contacted as well...

I contacted the IBM as the recruiter said he was a member. They said he was a current member.
-Hart

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dearwiseone
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Hart - sounds fishy to me. I'd ask for references and to talk to some of his clients or other entertainers he books.

I personally don't pay any fees (admin or otherwise), with the exception of a commission/referral/agent fee, and that's only AFTER the booking. I would never pay anything before.

The google thing is a huge red flag. I'm pretty up-front with people on the phone. I'll ask why he doesn't have a website and tell him that seems suspicious. FB page? Anything?

Let us know how it goes!

- Kevin
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Seems like a scam to me.

Do you think the link leads to the so called company?
http://imagebuilders.yolasite.com/about-us.php

Hart, remember the area code?
KC Cameron
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I was contacted as well to do magic on a tour boat for 3 months. Cary S. dropped a well-known magician's name (actually two) as a friend. I contacted one, and they have no idea of who he is.

There were spelling mistakes in the contract, and Cary's name was not on it, just the business. The contract offered no assurances or protection of any kind to me, and was was clear he would get paid even if he did nothing. He also wanted a lot of money up front, and talked like it was a slam-dunk, that the tour boat company (hinting it was Disney) asked for me. He talked a good game, was very flattering and knowledgeable. Still he wanted to be paid up front a hefty admin fee, and then 30% upon time of booking. I guess if the booker backed out you would be out 3K.

I also contacted a fellow ring member of his, who told me to go with my gut.

it feels like a scam, and if it is, he talks a very good game.
danfreed
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That's clearly a scam. But don't listen to those nutty Oregonians Hart and Wiseone, you can't trust those Oregon hippies. Just kidding, they are friends.
Stu Montgomery
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I'm an Accredited Counter Fraud Officer - Specialist, & this sounds almost certainly an "Advance Fee Fraud", a variation of the "419 Fraud" and should be avoided at all costs. The MO is very, very similar...promise of work, money or some financial benefit, but some form of "fee" must be paid up-front. Beware, beware, beware!
"Round about what is, lies a whole mysterious world of might be" Longfellow.
Stu Montgomery
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On Mar 6, 2015, Hart Keene wrote:
Exactly Nash! Both Craig Martin and Joe Black were contacted as well...

I contacted the IBM as the recruiter said he was a member. They said he was a current member.


If accurate, this is a concern, either as the genuine IBM member, or a scammer who's using the members name!
"Round about what is, lies a whole mysterious world of might be" Longfellow.
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I am sorry that you don't understand how "executive search consultants" work. I am not an agent, I am a recruiter. It is perfectly normal to have an applicant paid fee and or an employer paid fee. Our agreement is only a formality and not required to list with our service. It protects and indemnifies us if you injure someone or yourself as a result of our agreement. If you googled me you also saw that I am an instructor, teaching law and ethics among other courses. Other listing services charge an advance fee with only a computer bulletin board. Recruiters have humans presenting humans. They are not necessarily the most popular beings to a company as they often recruit away some professionals therefore we all keep a low profile and do not have the need to promote our business on the web. Our fees differ from talent agents. If you don't understand something please ask, however any further disparaging remarks will be taken as libel and pursued to the full extent of the law. Good luck to those who choose to find work on their own, I help those in the same way the listing boards do with a different audience and a human touch!

Magically,

Cary
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A lawyer would know that one can share his own experiences with others and it not be liable. Truth is a perfectly good defense in slander or liable suits.

Don't come here and make your first post all threateny. Not a cool way to conduct yourself. It does nothing to quell the concerns raised by some members here. Hollow threats impress nobody. Be nice.

If someone misunderstood then cool. Simply clear it up. No need to be all bad dude lawyer and threaten.
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Mindpro
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And I'm sorry you don't understand how entertainment works! You are correct you are not an agent. Recruiting for a feee (and commission) is not part of the legitimate entertainment industry. This is another prime example of someone not understanding entertainment business and how it differs from conventional business. This is simply someone trying to take the "recruiter format (for a fee)" and try to adapt it to entertainment.

Also to barge in here and with your very first post making threats of liable is not standard or good business practice for any business, let alone being a way to fit into an established and existing community. Your threats and such attitude is unwelcome here and if you bother to read the posting rules and guidelines, against the forum policies. Only beginner, gullible and performers (not entertainers) desperate or hard pressed for work would likely even consider such and is likely who such an approach is targeted to.

This is why we have legitimate agencies and associations. Never under standard operating practices in entertainment should a fee be asked up front to accept a booking.

I'll be happy to continue of you'd like.
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Bill Scott
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I wonder if "Golden....." will ever get more than 2 posts.

Kinda reminds me of the old adage: "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a Duck!!!" Smile
Bill Scott
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No disrespect to Ducks meant!
Stu Montgomery
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Goldenshadows - talks Goldenshowers Smile "libel and pursued to the full extent of the law" oh dear! How many, many, many times have I heard remarks like that?! No doubt there'll be many reputable, responsible agents, who can be trusted with pre paid costs, but as I said, anyone asked for an upfront "fee", must remember buyer beware, beware beware!
"Round about what is, lies a whole mysterious world of might be" Longfellow.
Dannydoyle
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2 posts and the big shot runs out of steam LOL.

Heck one wasn't even a post. That alone is odd and would make me think twice.
Danny Doyle
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Stu Montgomery
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"It protects and indemnifies us if you injure someone or yourself as a result of our agreement". I'm completely dumbfounded by this comment! Surely any responsible, reputable entity would have sufficient public liability coverage to protect itself in any case?!! A bit like a house painter (for instance) asking a customer to pay an "indemnitty" premium in case they fell from a ladder! "If you googled me you also saw that I am an instructor, teaching law and ethics among other courses." Well, in my past life I was in law for almost 30 years and I'm absolutely perplexed by this remark! Although libel and slander will vary from country to country, the basics remain mostly the same. I can see nothing whatsoever in any post here that remotely approaches libel that may attract action "to the full extent of the law." Bizarre!! In truth, I'm rather disturbed by the whole thing!!!
"Round about what is, lies a whole mysterious world of might be" Longfellow.
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