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MagicofDesperado
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In the literature I haven't come across much discussion on transitioning from normal (slydini-esque) lapping into more modern stand-up performance. I'd love to read about more approaches to this if they're available as I always perform standing up.

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The workaroo came darned close. Amnar on the topit should be accessible. remember this is not secret sessions but open threads. the Trabuco holdout? also a good approach.
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It rhymes with deceiving...
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Matting, a technique taught in the NYCMS dvd series and on the Knockout Coin Magic dvd. Holdouts and topits are great, as well as sleeving.
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Stand Up Lapping – I’d like to learn more

I tried with a coin but it fell to the floor
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Old school answer is off the cuff.

If it vanishes with a puff
Cuff

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With a sleight winter cuff
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The workaroo connected both front pockets to the upper entry passage.
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Oh, I guess I'll actually contribute as it's something I've been working on.

One of Slydini's main points was that the body takes the hand. In order to move your right hand from the table to your lap, you would rotate to the left and lean back a bit, then lean forward to bring your hand to between your knees. These motions are casual and natural in a conversation. With sleeving, there is a lot larger of a distance to go as you need your elbow straight (and there's not a table hiding everything) (By the way, this can all be avoided in the act of sleeving, but not easily for retrieval) It's a lot harder to completely hide that action, and requires larger motions to cover it. A good example of a motion that would completely cover it is dropping something else on the floor. In the act of picking it up your other hand extends behind you.

There is an advantage to sleeving though, if you used properly. The retrieval position for sleeving is also a natural rest state, and non-suspicious. After retrieval you can leave the hand there for really as long as you want. In lapping you want the image in the spectators head to be that your hand never left the table. (Not accomplished through fast movements, but natural movements) If you leave your hand down there (without reason of course) for too long it looks suspicious. (Ignore how dirty that sounded, I'm trying to have a serious talk here).

So how do you get it down there? Depending on the item, retrieving something from the sleeve requires a bit faster of a motion and either a hard stop (that looks suspicious) or an awkward swing of the arm (that looks suspicious) I feel like even Rocco has this swing.

A lot of coin magicians have this really odd posture where their upper portion of their arm goes straight down, but the elbow is bent at a 90 degree angle, as if that was a resting state. And it is, if you're holding something. When a magician has that posture with a supposedly empty hand it just calls attention to itself. The natural state of an empty hand is almost straight down, but with a slight bend at the elbow. Also your elbow is rotated out just a little bit. The arm is wresting against the body. (I'm afraid I'm going to start getting weird looks watching people's arms, but I heard a story about Dai Vernon watching people put on coats and I can't stop now) The hand as it's falling bounces against the body. It doesn't swing behind the body. You are subconsciously doing the laziest action possible. (It's kinda how the universe works, but this isn't a chemistry (or maybe physics) lecture). You are aiming your hand at your body, and then just letting it fall so that you don't have to worry about it.

I still haven't answered the question, have I? Ummmmm, I don't know. Currently I'm working on is pushing my wrist slightly into my hip as my hand falls (with practice you can do this pretty late in the motion) and letting it rest there for a second, and then, in a much smaller and easier to hide motion you can retrieve the coin. Still working on it though.
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I whatch, long time ago, in a excellent Carlos Vaquera lecture in UK, that he uses a kind of bag. It has four compartments and it is attached to edge of the table in front of standing magician. So that you can lap coins while you are standing. He uses four compartments to lap four coins without noise, they not click as they fall in different compartments.
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For a directly analogous technique, see Gregory Wilson's "Pitch and Ditch".
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I agree topits are some of the greatest yet underused devices.
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TKO.By Jeff Kaylor.
It's like a Topit but you don't use a jacket. It's a good way to vanish a coin and you can do it with your sleeves up. There are many things you can do with it.
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TKO is very good but it needs a lot of practice to make it look good. Other wise the method can telegraph quite easily
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When not wearing a jacket you can ditch a coin in the side pocket of your trousers (not jeans).
Have two handkerchiefs in your pocket so it's standing a little open.
See Apocalypse vol 10, 1987, 1359: "The Trouser Pocket Topit" by John V. Hope.
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There are moves using a stiff open Gibecière that are very similar to lapping.
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Sylvester pitch
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Well I aint a coin guy. But here is a lil something. No gaffs. Just a guy desperately trying to stay in frame.https://youtu.be/l_4WuZJnsLw

Let me know watcha think.

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Looks really good! Is that an original creation?
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On Mar 18, 2015, FrankieF wrote:
Looks really good! Is that an original creation?

Coins across? Hardly original. The method and the lack of proving moves were what I was trying for.
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That's what I was asking about the method.
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